Do You Believe in "Once Saved, Always Saved"

[TomPJr]

The promise is a good one! I have eternal life even now!

so you are immortal?

[Floatingaxe]

The promise is a good one! I have eternal life even now!

so you are immortal?

Yes. My spirit is immortal, as is your own.

[Ovedya]

Jesus does give the believers eternal life if they endure, and overcome, but not until he comes back and they are resurected. When they are raised they will be raised with incoruption and immortality. They don't have it yet.

1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

This is false according the Lord's words:

25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and you do not believe. The works which I do in My Father's name, these testify concerning Me;

26 But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep.

27 My sheep ahear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;

28 And I give to them eternal life, and they shall by no means perish forever, and no one shall snatch them out of My hand.

29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all, and no one can snatch them out of My Father's hand.

30 and the Father are one. " (John 10:25-30)

The future tense in verse 28 is in reference to perishing. The present tense is in reference to jesus' giving His sheep eternal life. You are confusing the nature of God's life with "living forever." The nature of God's life is eternal. That is, it is divine, uncreated, indestructable, abd ever existing from eternity past to eternity future. This is the life given to the believers, and it is by this life that they will be resurrected. All true believers posess the eternal life of God

[Ovedya]

The promise is a good one! I have eternal life even now!

so you are immortal?

Yes. My spirit is immortal, as is your own.

[Ovedya]

If once saved you cannot lose your savlation, then what about the unpardinable sin?

If I am not saved, then that sin doesn't applt to me.

The unpardonable sin is the attribution of the work of the Holy Spirit to the devil. The Pharisees did this, and they certainly showed no signs of being regenerated.

[Floatingaxe]

If once saved you cannot lose your savlation, then what about the unpardinable sin?

If I am not saved, then that sin doesn't applt to me.

The unpardonable sin is the attribution of the work of the Holy Spirit to the devil. The Pharisees did this, and they certainly showed no signs of being regenerated.

The unpardonable sin does apply to an unbeliever, because that is the only type who can commit that particular sin!

In fact...all sin, unrepented of, is unpardonable! So, unbelievers may as well have committed it anyhow.

[dgolvach]

A man was a Christian for 60 years, faithfully obeyed God's Word and abstained from sin. In a moment of weakness he lusted in his heart after another woman and, seizing the opportunity to give way to his lust, was in the actual act of committing adultery with the woman. During the commission of his sin he had a heart attack and died.

The ones who promote OSNAS would have us all believe that the man went to hell.

Utter and complete nonsense.

God is unrighteous, unholy, and weaker than the power of man's free will if He doesn;t have the power to save us in spite of ourselves!

I would hate to lose my life in such a circumstance and then stand before the God that I not only know as my Father, but whom I also fear;

But I have full confidence in His ability to weigh it all out without my help. I'm not qualified to judge that mans destination, all I can do is uphold what is written.

I don't have a problem with the belief that a saved person will actually produce fruits that make it evident that they are saved. I don't see 'fruits' as a work, I see them as characteristics of the new creature in Christ.

I don't see repentance as a work, I see it as a characteristic of a changed life.

Some OSAS proponents argue that a saved person can live no differently than the world and still be saved, even if they die in their sins.

I say without the fruits of a changed life, how would one know they were ever saved in the first place? Lip service isn't enough to convince me they were ever saved.

I know that christians can get caught in strongholds, i've been there; I also know we can grow lukewarm, i've been there too. But God will discipline those He loves and reel them back in.

God is merciful, and he will have mercy on whom He pleases.

But the world just keeps being the world, and I refuse to call a continuously unrepentant sinner who thinks they are OSAS, 'saved', when there is no evidence to the contrary.

I don't want to be guilty of being one of those Jude 4:7 speaks of...

"For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ."

James 5:20

Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

[dgolvach]

A man was a Christian for 60 years, faithfully obeyed God's Word and abstained from sin. In a moment of weakness he lusted in his heart after another woman and, seizing the opportunity to give way to his lust, was in the actual act of committing adultery with the woman. During the commission of his sin he had a heart attack and died.

The ones who promote OSNAS would have us all believe that the man went to hell.

Utter and complete nonsense.

God is unrighteous, unholy, and weaker than the power of man's free will if He doesn;t have the power to save us in spite of ourselves!

I would hate to lose my life in such a circumstance and then stand before the God that I not only know as my Father, but whom I also fear;

But I have full confidence in His ability to weigh it all out without my help. I'm not qualified to judge that mans destination, all I can do is uphold what is written.

I don't have a problem with the belief that a saved person will actually produce fruits that make it evident that they are saved. I don't see 'fruits' as a work, I see them as characteristics of the new creature in Christ.

I don't see repentance as a work, I see it as a characteristic of a changed life.

Some OSAS proponents argue that a saved person can live no differently than the world and still be saved, even if they die in their sins.

I say without the fruits of a changed life, how would one know they were ever saved in the first place? Lip service isn't enough to convince me they were ever saved.

I know that christians can get caught in strongholds, i've been there; I also know we can grow lukewarm, i've been there too. But God will discipline those He loves and reel them back in.

God is merciful, and he will have mercy on whom He pleases.

But the world just keeps being the world, and I refuse to call a continuously unrepentant sinner who thinks they are OSAS, 'saved', when there is no evidence to the contrary.

I don't want to be guilty of being one of those Jude 4:7 speaks of...

"For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ."

James 5:20

Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

But I have full confidence in His ability to weigh it all out without my help

Hmmm. so he measures your amount of sin?

Dan

[Floatingaxe]

Hmmm. so he measures your amount of sin?

God has recorded all our sins. I suppose that is a weigh-in of the highest order.

Revelation 20:12

I saw the dead, both great and small, standing before God's throne. And the books were opened, including the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to what they had done, as recorded in the books.

Jude 1:4

I say this because some ungodly people have wormed their way into your churches, saying that God's marvelous grace allows us to live immoral lives. The condemnation of such people was recorded long ago, for they have denied our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

Psalm 139:16

You saw me before I was born.Every day of my life was recorded in your book. Every moment was laid out before a single day had passed.

Psalm 56:8

You keep track of all my sorrows. You have collected all my tears in your bottle. You have recorded each one in your book.

Lots of recording going on!

[Openly Curious]

[quote name='Ovedya' post='755490' date='Jan 26 2007, 12:56 PM'

oc--Scriptures say in Acts 4:32 that they were all believers and were all of one heart and of one soul (including Anninias and Sapphira) and agreed to sell their possessions. Anninias and Sapphira just gave into the temptations of Satan you can read in Acts 5 and gave into the sin plain and simple and died in their sins being caught in them as a result. You called Annanias and Sapphira nominal Christains so.....