Unbelievers - You're dead and before God on Judgement Day

[ayin jade]

I dont see it as a problem, because I understand it. I do not think you do understand it. Im hoping one of the more knowledgable believers here will try and explain it to you.

[TheProcess]

Im hoping one of the more knowledgable believers here will try and explain it to you.

Yes, that would be nice, if someone could explain it to me.

[John R Nolan]

WOW

That is a pretty heavy wrap to put on GOD

GOD is cruel, etc. Scripture says GOD IS LOVE, doesn't IT? 1 Jn.4:16

The concept of children that die before reaching the age of accountability being sent to hell is ludicrous, as GOD cannot judge them

This applies to those who are born without their full mental faculties, who are not capable of making such decisions, otherwise GOD is un-just, and there is no Scripture to support that concept. Acts 3:14

Satan is the father of lies and all grief on this planet, though GOD allows His children to be tested, to prove they will follow HIM, NOT him

Rom.10:6 may be a fitting Scripture to apply here, as it appears we are judging GOD according to human emotions and feelings rather than confessing that our GOD is JUST, Rev.15:3

Satan provided the knowledge which gave us weapons, cars, all the technology which is used to kill; he is a murder and his children manifest his works. GOD is NOT the author of confusion, nor is He the author of man's perversity and evil nature, we do have 'FREE WILL' don't we, so what did man choose?

Knowledge of good and EVIL, INSTEAD of FAITH in GOD

[John R Nolan]

WOW

That is a pretty heavy wrap to put on GOD

GOD is cruel, etc. Scripture says GOD IS LOVE, doesn't IT? 1 Jn.4:16

The concept of children that die before reaching the age of accountability being sent to hell is ludicrous, as GOD cannot judge them

This applies to those who are born without their full mental faculties, who are not capable of making such decisions, otherwise GOD is un-just, and there is no Scripture to support that concept. Acts 3:14

Satan is the father of lies and all grief on this planet, though GOD allows His children to be tested, to prove they will follow HIM, NOT him

Rom.10:6 may be a fitting Scripture to apply here, as it appears we are judging GOD according to human emotions and feelings rather than confessing that our GOD is JUST, Rev.15:3

Satan provided the knowledge which gave us weapons, cars, all the technology which is used to kill; he is a murder and his children manifest his works. GOD is NOT the author of confusion, nor is He the author of man's perversity and evil nature, we do have 'FREE WILL' don't we, so what did man choose?

Knowledge of good and EVIL, INSTEAD of FAITH in GOD

Hey, in reading this I may be in the wrong place, I was attempting to respond to people who were condemning GOD for sending babies to hell, sorry about that, maybe some one can stick it in the right section?

Edited November 5, 2006 by John R Nolan

[John R Nolan]

Stewart, I am curious. If you dont mind answering this question for me. If you reject God so much, and are that angry at Him, what is your interest in coming here? Why do you waste your time at a Christian message board when you not only do not believe in Him, but harbor such anger towards Him? (Which doesnt even make sense. How can you be angry at someone you dont believe even exists.) You actively sought us out. Why would you make that effort? What is your motivation? I would like to understand you.

A lot of very good questions!

I don't think I waste my time here. You guys make me think. I used to be a Christian. Now that I am no longer, I have to test my new philosophies.

Against what? Against the old. Christianity is very complex, which is why there are different denominations, different interpretaions and so much church history. If I just write it all off and say "Fairy Tales" then I'm being as mentally lazy as anyone who says "God did it"

Even as an atheist there are issues to be considered. The concept of Evil, for example. In a system outside of God does it exist? And how do I define it or identify it?

Spending time here with you all helps me clarify these things.

You are right that it is illogical to be angry at something that doesn't exist. But the definitions of God, his description, as laid out in the bible, exist. Those concepts and definitions annoy me. Perhaps I am angry because I feel I had put a lot of effort and emotion into smoke and mirrors. Like when Dorothy and the others find that the Wizard of Oz is just a man behind a curtain.

I am certainly glad I found Worthy tho'. There is such a spectrum of humanity here, and much, much to learned. Didn't I get a lesson in Middle Eastern history last month?

Could one suggest, from reading your confession, you never were a Christian

Christians are children of GOD, they are called, are elect, and, as the Lord said, Jn.17:6-26

note vs. 12 "while I was with them in the world I KEPT them in Thy name,; those that Thou gavest Me I have KEPT, AND NONE of THEM is LOST"

Christians are saved by FAITH, not by anything of ourselves, even our FAITH is a GIFT of GOD Eph.2:8

Mat.7:22 may be worth a read and possibly, if you are interested, you may go back to Him and ask Him to show you, through His Word, Who He IS

As long as you are looking at man, at our depravity, insanity, hypocrisy, you have your eyes off the GOAL; there is nothing in this flesh to observe, we are all sinners saved by GRACE, HIS GRACE

Edited November 5, 2006 by John R Nolan

[secondeve]

There's a great line in the Maxims of Balloo from the Jungle Book, a story which has always touched me deeply. It goes like this:

'There is none like to I!' says the Cub

In the pride of his earliest kill

But the jungle is large and the Cub, he is small.

Let him think, and be still.

Are you a Kipling fan? Or just a fan of the Jungle Books?

A fan of the Jungle Books, although Kipling interests me as a person. I can't decide whether or not he really was the straight-up imperialist he gets painted as, or someone more complex. If he loved the empire so much, why did he twice refuse an OBE? Also, it doesn't seem to reconcile with the ideas he puts forward in those books - in my reading of them, anyway. I think he was a creature of his time, certainly, but not as one-dimensonal as a lot of people like to think. Why do you ask?

[TheProcess]

I dont see it as a problem, because I understand it. I do not think you do understand it. Im hoping one of the more knowledgable believers here will try and explain it to you.

Perhaps you could try and explain it to me?

[ayin jade]

Im a huge Kipling fan. It is rare to find anyone who has read his works outside of the Jungle Books or Just So Stories.

In many ways, he was a product of his time, yet he also saw past the prejudices of the class and caste system. His stories often show people as they are, and points out how the lower classes often had more class than the upper classes. He shows how the English, for all their "superiority" in India just didnt understand the people of India. Plus, he is a fine storyteller. Plain Tales from the Hills is my favorite collection of short stories by him.

[Ovedya]

This thread has nothing to do with Christian apologetics and everything to do with atheist apologetics. I have been told this is a Christian apologetics forum, wherein Christians defend their beliefs, not where nonbelievers defend their beliefs. In fact, other threads in defense of atheism have already been closed.

This thread should also be closed, as it is equally off-topic.

Atheists have apologetics? For what?

[undone]

This thread has nothing to do with Christian apologetics and everything to do with atheist apologetics. I have been told this is a Christian apologetics forum, wherein Christians defend their beliefs, not where nonbelievers defend their beliefs. In fact, other threads in defense of atheism have already been closed.

This thread should also be closed, as it is equally off-topic.

Atheists have apologetics? For what?

Atheists can defend their choice to disbelieve. This thread is asking them to do just that. It challenges atheists' disbelief in God by asserting that God will judge them and send them to Hell.

This is not Christian apologetics, and I request that you lock it.

As the starter of this topic, I disagree. This was intended to bypass the intellectual "scientific" arguments and appeal to you conscience. Too many times we get bogged down in a debate over evolution. I feel this is too often a waste of time. The main issue is that we are a creation therefore we have a Creator. The bible describes that Creator. The bible says we are accountable to the Creator whether you believe it or not. Since that's what WE believe, hypothetically, how will you defend yourself to Him on the Day of Judgement we believe will happen. This allows/allowed us to address what I believe to be the heart of your objections to faith.

Edited November 6, 2006 by undone