Evolution & Creation: Only sysems based on faith

[Prodigalson123]

GWG, you probably didn't know this--I didn't either--but...

Nonbelievers aren't allowed to vote!

So I predict Creationism wins by a landslide.

Haha. This thread reminds me a little of the 2004 presidential election. This forum software isn't made by Diebold, is it?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=81...cking+democracy

If only non believers weren't allowed to vote elsewhere

Edited November 7, 2006 by Prodigalson123

[undone]

If only non believers weren't allowed to vote elsewhere

[undone]

I think it's important to clear up something. Christians can tend to view evolution as a dirty word. One that threatens their faith. It shouldn't be this way. Science can go about investigating the development and continued adaptation of life and make what it deems to be reasonable claims about its findings. An honest study should not be discouraged regardless of any present implications to our faith.

What I object to is anything that stretches beyond the capability of current science to prove and pass on to our textbooks as fact. Hypothesis, theory, and conjecture are a part of the process we have to accept. Without it, the process doesn't exist. New discoveries and possibly life saving cures are never found. There is some reasonable (as far as the accepted scientific method is concerned) data to assume that evolution, beyond micro-evolution, and the old earth theory is a reality in some form or fashion. For me the investigation is still being conducted and there are explanations available from both sides of the issue. Let them conduct their studies and report their findings.

I also object to the implication that is passed on by too many evolutionists that evolution is an explanation for the beginning of life and that this is evidence that we can do away with a Creator. This is false.

I also object to the ostratization of scientists who view the complexity of many of the basic systems of life as evidence or inference of design. I ultimately believe that through the revelation of the truth, that we will continue to learn of the magnificient mind of our Creator by looking at the detailed results of His highly engineered creation.

Whether the earths inhabitants were formed by our Creator through breathing into dust and/or through some form of an 'evolutionary' process of His choosing is not as important as the message of salvation offered through His Son Jesus Christ. To get bogged down in a debate that will ultimately end with the coming of Jesus is tragic. Especially when you consider the eternal implications of missing this message due to quabbling over trivial details.

I personally never needed anything outside the biblical account of creation to satisfy my faith. It wasn't until I got involved with Christian message boards that I started to dig into a clearer understanding of what both sides are saying. If the scientists are wrong with what is considered some of the most accepted ideas of evolution, what are they doing wrong besides lying and/or stretching the truth? I'm not a scientist so I can't say.

I won't place any limits on our Creator. Through His power, could He not have created a universe in six days. Could He not have brought light from the furthest stars in an instant? Could He not make what looks to be something that is 10,000,000 years old to be a stumbling block to the proud? We first have to wrap our minds around the fact that He created it all from NOTHING in ANY AMOUNT OF TIME. If He can do that, why get caught up in an argument that will ultimately leave us bewildered. Who can know the full awesome stretches of our God?

Why argue over evolution other than to keep it from being represented in a way it is not capable of supporting? Know that there is a Creator. He created you. His creation fell from grace due to the necessary free will He gave us. He made away through His son to get back to Him. Ultimately, He plans are to do away with the fallen nature of this world and bring us back into a Kingdom in which He dwells with His creation. Some will argue the fall was within His plans all along. Why? So that His creation will truly know what life is like without Him and truly cherish existence with Him to a degree that will last for eternity.

[John R Nolan]

I think it's important to clear up something. Christians can tend to view evolution as a dirty word. One that threatens their faith. It shouldn't be this way. Science can go about investigating the development and continued adaptation of life and make what it deems to be reasonable claims about its findings. An honest study should not be discouraged regardless of any present implications to our faith.

What I object to is anything that stretches beyond the capability of current science to prove and pass on to our textbooks as fact. Hypothesis, theory, and conjecture are a part of the process we have to accept. Without it, the process doesn't exist. New discoveries and possibly life saving cures are never found. There is some reasonable (as far as the accepted scientific method is concerned) data to assume that evolution, beyond micro-evolution, and the old earth theory is a reality in some form or fashion. For me the investigation is still being conducted and there are explanations available from both sides of the issue. Let them conduct their studies and report their findings.

I also object to the implication that is passed on by too many evolutionists that evolution is an explanation for the beginning of life and that this is evidence that we can do away with a Creator. This is false.

I also object to the ostratization of scientists who view the complexity of many of the basic systems of life as evidence or inference of design. I ultimately believe that through the revelation of the truth, that we will continue to learn of the magnificient mind of our Creator by looking at the detailed results of His highly engineered creation.

Whether the earths inhabitants were formed by our Creator through breathing into dust and/or through some form of an 'evolutionary' process of His choosing is not as important as the message of salvation offered through His Son Jesus Christ. To get bogged down in a debate that will ultimately end with the coming of Jesus is tragic. Especially when you consider the eternal implications of missing this message due to quabbling over trivial details.

I personally never needed anything outside the biblical account of creation to satisfy my faith. It wasn't until I got involved with Christian message boards that I started to dig into a clearer understanding of what both sides are saying. If the scientists are wrong with what is considered some of the most accepted ideas of evolution, what are they doing wrong besides lying and/or stretching the truth? I'm not a scientist so I can't say.

I won't place any limits on our Creator. Through His power, could He not have created a universe in six days. Could He not have brought light from the furthest stars in an instant? Could He not make what looks to be something that is 10,000,000 years old to be a stumbling block to the proud? We first have to wrap our minds around the fact that He created it all from NOTHING in ANY AMOUNT OF TIME. If He can do that, why get caught up in an argument that will ultimately leave us bewildered. Who can know the full awesome stretches of our God?

Why argue over evolution other than to keep it from being represented in a way it is not capable of supporting? Know that there is a Creator. He created you. His creation fell from grace due to the necessary free will He gave us. He made away through His son to get back to Him. Ultimately, He plans are to do away with the fallen nature of this world and bring us back into a Kingdom in which He dwells with His creation. Some will argue the fall was within His plans all along. Why? So that His creation will truly know what life is like without Him and truly cherish existence with Him to a degree that will last for eternity.

AMEN brother, artistically presented and right on the Word. Even Darwin admitted there had to be a GOD

We also need understand GOD is the GOD of evolution

He started off with light, then HE made the worlds, then HE made an amoeba, then HE made, etc., then HE made, and HE continued to produce ever more advanced beings, species, 'til HE got to man, then HE stopped

Hallelujah

Edited November 7, 2006 by John R Nolan

[Smalcald]

I don't believe that a literal reading of Genesis, which I do hold, necessarily has to contradict modern thinking on evolution.

There is nothing in scripture that has to battle against science, they are intrinsically different.

I do object to some who misuse evolution, claiming that it has anything to do with creation or why we exist or even further yet God. It has nothing to say on those points, it is simply a process that we have inferred from observations of the natural world, nothing more nothing less.

[Guest mapletechie]

Toxic--faith that leads to a sick soul. Faith that is based on untruths.

Why can't you reasonably debate without just dogmatically spouting what you've been programmed to spout?

[Guest mapletechie]

GWG, you probably didn't know this--I didn't either--but...

Nonbelievers aren't allowed to vote!

So I predict Creationism wins by a landslide.

Haha. This thread reminds me a little of the 2004 presidential election. This forum software isn't made by Diebold, is it?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=81...cking+democracy

If only non believers weren't allowed to vote elsewhere

So you'd like a theocracy?

[Floatingaxe]

Toxic--faith that leads to a sick soul. Faith that is based on untruths.

Why can't you reasonably debate without just dogmatically spouting what you've been programmed to spout?

How dare you? I am not a proficient debater, and I actually eschew proper debate, mostly because I believe God isn't honoured in it. What I do is state my belief, pure and simple. No programing here. My opinions come from knowing God and understanding His Word. Hence, the opposition you are sensing.

[EricH]

Toxic--faith that leads to a sick soul. Faith that is based on untruths.

Why can't you reasonably debate without just dogmatically spouting what you've been programmed to spout?

I guess that question cuts both ways

[Emily~Anne]

Toxic--faith that leads to a sick soul. Faith that is based on untruths.

Why can't you reasonably debate without just dogmatically spouting what you've been programmed to spout?

How dare you? I am not a proficient debater, and I actually eschew proper debate, mostly because I believe God isn't honoured in it. What I do is state my belief, pure and simple. No programing here. My opinions come from knowing God and understanding His Word. Hence, the opposition you are sensing.

We came here for a debate, Floatingaxe. And you just revealed to us that you don't even like debating God. But this is a debate thread.

You say we are rude and disrespectful, Floatingaxe, yet you show no respect or consideration for the users here, like me, who came for a debate. You don't seem to care that we want to discuss religion; we don't want to be proselytized. You just don't care.

Repeatedly telling us you are right will not lead us to believe in your God. If anything, your unwillingness to debate your views leads us to believe you are just an unthinking robot or a broken record. I am sorry, but this is how you look to us.

Please have some consideration for the other users on this board. Debate. Or leave.

I think it is innapropiate to act as a moderator and tell others how they should conduct themselves, otherwise leave. Floatingaxe is sharing TRUTH, which obviously makes you uncomfortable. You want to talk about a broken record? Go read all your posts.