Burden of proof

[ColleenLovesMischief]

I honestly think that God has proven Himself.

[His son]

Well, the thing is I believe the "modern atheism" or secularism or whatever you want to call it is a direct result of the moral depravity. Of course if I would've practiced an abortion, I would be "an atheist" too because it would be a pretty silly thing to believe in something that condemns me so it's really a no-brainer.

Besides, I don't believe in Luther's "personal interpretation" of the scriptures so I know people will be judged according to their good or evil hearts and this necessarily means that if a "proclaimed atheist" does good in life and defeats the evil in it he'll be saved so, like I said, I don't worry too much about if a person "believes on an intellectual level" in God or doesn't. I care mostly about the objective parameters of salvation.

You are promoting a works for salvation doctrine that is totally a false doctrine and those you speak of will only get saved one way and that's thru Jesus Christ. The only thing there good works will get them is a pat on the back from men.

[irishcowboy]

QUOTE (mobile21 @ Dec 18 2003, 01:09 PM)

Well, the thing is I believe the "modern atheism" or secularism or whatever you want to call it is a direct result of the moral depravity. Of course if I would've practiced an abortion, I would be "an atheist" too because it would be a pretty silly thing to believe in something that condemns me so it's really a no-brainer.

Besides, I don't believe in Luther's "personal interpretation" of the scriptures so I know people will be judged according to their good or evil hearts and this necessarily means that if a "proclaimed atheist" does good in life and defeats the evil in it he'll be saved so, like I said, I don't worry too much about if a person "believes on an intellectual level" in God or doesn't. I care mostly about the objective parameters of salvation. UNQUOTE

isnt this going against what you have said prior???

telling us that we are doomed to hell for speaking against Mary as being deity? but yet saying if our heart is right but we dont believe in Jesus we can be saved?

sounds abit backwards... a bit contradictory.....

the Bible tells us that we can not be saved by our own works because that would allow us to booste that we can do it on our own....... and if that was the case, then the Lord Jesus coming to earth as a man, and going thru what He went thru is all totally useless........ and if that is the case, then you have just called God a liar......cause we are told that we can not see the Father except thru the Son...... which is Jesus.........

mike

[mobile21]

telling us that we are doomed to hell for speaking against Mary as being deity?

Mike: for the 194,744,739,948,345 time, Mary (the perpetual virgin) IS NOT a deity !.

My wish for 2004 is that these kids won't be as stubborn as they were in 2003 .

[mobile21]

Mike Irish:

you need to read about both the judgements.....

they are both in the Bible.

[Guest Danielangel]

Mike: for the 194,744,739,948,345 time, Mary (the perpetual virgin) IS NOT a deity !.

Mary had eleven kids with her husband Joseph after she had her first born son, Jesus. It even says in the bible that Jesus' brother's were jealous of him as they grew up together... he was obviously a different kind of kid.

so, mary was only a virgin regarding Jesus' birth, not perpetual. unless your saying that God was the father of all her other kids too.

[mobile21]

Mike: for the 194,744,739,948,345 time, Mary (the perpetual virgin) IS NOT a deity !.

Mary had eleven kids with her husband Joseph after she had her first born son, Jesus. It even says in the bible that Jesus' brother's were jealous of him as they grew up together... he was obviously a different kind of kid.

so, mary was only a virgin regarding Jesus' birth, not perpetual. unless your saying that God was the father of all her other kids too.

ELEVEN kids!!???!!!? I think you've been reading a counterfeit Bible

[irishcowboy]

"""""""""""That's not true. Jesus is in every neighbor of us (Matt 25:40) so every time you are good or bad to someone else, you are being good or bad to Jesus Himself."""""""""""""

sorry, you are miss informed..... for Jesus and satan can not exist in the same house.......

if a person does not have Jesus, then they have satan, that means, that until they invite Jesus to reside in them, to dwell in them to live in them to exist in them, to guard over them they do not have Jesus, and satan rules that house......

it dont matter how "good" a person is, if they have not taken Jesus as their Personal Lord and Savior, they have satan living in them......

mike

[Fovezer]

it dont matter how "good" a person is, if they have not taken Jesus as their Personal Lord and Savior, they have satan living in them......

So what youa are saying is a rapist or murderer can get into heaven just be taking Jesus as his savior. All he has done was evil things, but he will still get into heaven, yet every atheist/agnostic/Jew/Muslim/Buddhist/ect. will go to hell even if they life a life where they help people and don't do anything wrong, only good deeds. Sound fair? I think not. You god is sadistic. Mobile21's god is caring.

This is another reason I am an atheist, no one can agree on one interpretation, there are so many, and that goes for all religions.

[WayneB]

Fovezer

If I can interupt for one second and just say hello to you Fovezer. Glad to see you are doing well and still hanging around. Don't be too hard on us when we don't agree. We are all limited in our knowledge and understanding of God's Word (and everything else). Regardless, just wanted to say hello and wish you well.

Sagz ---

Congratualtions brother! You didn't even announce it, huh? I have been married for 25 years and I can only testify that it gets better with each passing day. Maybe the kids leaving home has something to do with that? Just kidding (maybe).

God Bless you both,

Wayne