Burden of proof

[Fovezer]

Fovezer

If I can interupt for one second and just say hello to you Fovezer.  Glad to see you are doing well and still hanging around.  Don't be too hard on us when we don't agree.  We are all limited in our knowledge and understanding of God's Word (and everything else).  Regardless, just wanted to say hello and wish you well.

Hello, Saved By Grace!!

I am not trying to be harsh, just trying to point it out that no one can agree on one interpretation.

It is good to see you have finally decided to show your face It has been a while.

[mobile21]

"""""""""""That's not true. Jesus is in every neighbor of us (Matt 25:40) so every time you are good or bad to someone else, you are being good or bad to Jesus Himself."""""""""""""

sorry, you are miss informed..... for Jesus and satan can not exist in the same house.......

if a person does not have Jesus, then they have satan, that means, that until they invite Jesus to reside in them, to dwell in them to live in them to exist in them, to guard over them they do not have Jesus, and satan rules that house......

it dont matter how "good" a person is, if they have not taken Jesus as their Personal Lord and Savior, they have satan living in them......

mike

It's true one person can't serve "two masters" but you interpret it like it's an absolute here on Earth when the truth is that's not so. As long as people are alive in here, there's the possibility of good and evil in everybody. Only after we died is that we become absolutely good or absolutely evil.

And one more thing: it doesn't matter if the people we deal with is personally good or bad, the thing that matters is how we treat others despite of their personal holiness. Remeber that Jesus Christ warned us that the sinners also love their friends (Lk 6:32).

[mobile21]

So what youa are saying is a rapist or murderer can get into heaven just be taking Jesus as his savior. All he has done was evil things, but he will still get into heaven, yet every atheist/agnostic/Jew/Muslim/Buddhist/ect. will go to hell even if they life a life where they help people and don't do anything wrong, only good deeds. Sound fair? I think not. You god is sadistic. Mobile21's god is caring.

This is another reason I am an atheist, no one can agree on one interpretation, there are so many, and that goes for all religions.

When you criticize Mike Irish's assertion you are proposing a moral judgment right?. You can know that moral judgement comes from your conscience and not from your personal cosmology because in the world is a very common for evil to be rewarded while good is not and it's because of that conscience God gives to every human that we have the obligation to seek the truth.

It's because we are created for the truth that we make so many assumptions of the world and that we can constantly change our perception of reality.

If you can tell good from evil (like you proved you can) then that makes you a capable, responsible human being and that necessarily means that you can't share the blame with someone else; not because Mire Irish doesn't have the complete truth means that every other human being has the right to not carry on with that responsibility.

At the last day, God will hold us accountable for every single thing and that's not up to us, but what is up to us is to make the right choices and to be sure that what we choose is the right thing.

[WayneB]

It is good to see you have finally decided to show your face  It has been a while.

I have been busy on other threads but I have remained in the shadows on these. I'm looking forward to seeing where you and Sagz go once you start back up with your discussions. I suspect, though, he is busy now that he has a new boss and all. He may not have as much free time on his hands.

Like I told you weeks ago, I found the Truth in places other than science, philosophy, and so forth. Therefore, I'm not much help with the search for God's Truth by looking at science only. Regardless, I do enjoy y'alls discussion.

Be well friend...and know that I care,

Wayne

[irishcowboy]

Mobile, you do need to read the Word, for yourself.

you see, it dont matter what your past is like, when a murderer, repents of murder, and accepts Jesus as their Lord and Savior, they are cleansed of that sin, and will be more like Jesus...... if a rapist is repentant, and turns toward Christ, the same thing..... even thou they may still be charged, tryed and convicted here on this earth, and have to serve their time for the crime, they are cleansed of their sins........ Christ Jesus is the ONLY way a person can be cleansed of their sins... and the only way a person will enter the Kingdom is thru the Son.......

if a person comes to know Jesus, when they are a child, or a teenager, or a young adult, or middle aged or even late in their years, it dont matter, they will be allowed to enter the Kingdom if they have Jesus..... if they do not, they will not be allowed admittance into the Kingdom ., no matter what good they have done, with out the Son they will not see the Father.... ..... it is written as such...... read it for your self.... search it out.... you claim i do not have the truth, you best be looking to ensure what you are speaking about, for it is written in the Bible.....

mike

[Fovezer]

I have been busy on other threads but I have remained in the shadows on these. I'm looking forward to seeing where you and Sagz go once you start back up with your discussions.  I suspect, though, he is busy now that he has a new boss and all.  He may not have as much free time on his hands.

Yeah, he has just strapped on that ball-and-chain!

Like I told you weeks ago, I found the Truth in places other than science, philosophy, and so forth.  Therefore, I'm not much help with the search for God's Truth by looking at science only.  Regardless, I do enjoy y'alls discussion.

Be well friend...and know that I care,

Wayne

I have no trouble with someone believing in God, that is your belief, and I have nothing against that, and I respect that, but it is when people insist on going against science, manipulating words, and insisting that their interpretation is the right one that bugs me.

Hope to see you around!

[mobile21]

Mobile, you do need to read the Word, for yourself.

you see, it dont matter what your past is like, when a murderer, repents of murder, and accepts Jesus as their Lord and Savior, they are cleansed of that sin, and will be more like Jesus...... if a rapist is repentant, and turns toward Christ, the same thing..... even thou they may still be charged, tryed and convicted here on this earth, and have to serve their time for the crime, they are cleansed of their sins........ Christ Jesus is the ONLY way a person can be cleansed of their sins... and the only way a person will enter the Kingdom is thru the Son.......

if a person comes to know Jesus, when they are a child, or a teenager, or a young adult, or middle aged or even late in their years, it dont matter, they will be allowed to enter the Kingdom if they have Jesus..... if they do not, they will not be allowed admittance into the Kingdom ., no matter what good they have done, with out the Son they will not see the Father.... ..... it is written as such...... read it for your self.... search it out.... you claim i do not have the truth, you best be looking to ensure what you are speaking about, for it is written in the Bible.....

mike

I never said that sins are never forgiven. Once you confess your sins, they are forgiven indeed. The thing is that you interpret the forgiveness of the sins as a "blank check" for life when that is not so.

[RGR]

I have been busy on other threads but I have remained in the shadows on these. I'm looking forward to seeing where you and Sagz go once you start back up with your discussions.

[Fovezer]

And you aren't insisting that we believe your anti-scientic views as the ONLY possibility?  Sorry, there is such a thing as absolute truth.  If I insist the sky is blue, that is the only possibility!  How much more when I know that God in Heaven sits upon His throne reigning?  If you can flippantly disregard what nature itself teaches you about God, no one here can change that.  However, we were born with a desire to worship and I tend to think that rather than being here to keep up a continous argument, you are probably here in search of the truth.

How is evolution anti-scientific? The whole scientific community accepts it. Are you saying they are all wrong? I am not saying that it is the only possibility, I am saying it is the only fact-based and fact-supported possibility.

There are no absolutes in this world. Nature teaches nothing about god, but shows how evolution worked.

Born with a desire to worship?!?! What are you talking about? I have absolutely zero desire to worship. Everyone is born an atheist, religious beliefs are usually pounded into a persons head from birth.

[RGR]

Oh, yeah, let's see. Evolution makes SO MUCH SENSE! Ya know, the other night, a tornado came through. I had some old tires in the back along with some scrap metal and when the tornado came through, it made all of that into a nice, big Rolls-Royce! Really, it did!!! That makes as much sense as saying I "evoluted" from some smaller creature. Nature DOES NOT teach evolution, but teaches the handiwork of Yahweh God.

So let's see, if all scientists conclude that jumping off of bridges is healthy, will you jump off the bridge? There are many scientists, who after examining the facts, have concluded that evolution is not scientific!

No, no one is born atheist. So, exactly how did the world begin? Big bang? How did the gasses for the "bang" get there in the first place? How can something on a physical level be created from nothing? Doesn't happen!