What if the bible is true?

[AnotherTraveler]

There are lots of opinions that are given by some to doubt the bible, the existance of God, and the final judgement of all mankind, and though there are some that sincerely want to know the truth, there are others that are striving to win the argument only.

If after dying (most will agree that death is coming eventually to all) you are suddenly aware that you have continued to exist in some form, you are in an entirely different environment, and you find yourself under arrest for the crime of unbelief and other sins that have not been addressed, is it too late for you?

If you should find yourself brought before the Judge, and search was made of all aspects of your life, would things go well for you?

Would you be in shock to learn that the Judge Himself already PAID for your crimes, and you refused the pardon based on your own opinions, so are now left to answer for yourself?

Would you be in shock to learn that the Judge owned everything and tried to adopt you so that you might have an inheritance in Him, but you refused him, would you be sad to learn that was fact and not just an old argument from back when you were alive?

[PBob]

There are lots of opinions that are given by some to doubt the bible, the existance of God, and the final judgement of all mankind, and though there are some that sincerely want to know the truth, there are others that are striving to win the argument only.

If after dying (most will agree that death is coming eventually to all) you are suddenly aware that you have continued to exist in some form, you are in an entirely different environment, and you find yourself under arrest for the crime of unbelief and other sins that have not been addressed, is it too late for you?

If you should find yourself brought before the Judge, and search was made of all aspects of your life, would things go well for you?

Would you be in shock to learn that the Judge Himself already PAID for your crimes, and you refused the pardon based on your own opinions, so are now left to answer for yourself?

Would you be in shock to learn that the Judge owned everything and tried to adopt you so that you might have an inheritance in Him, but you refused him, would you be sad to learn that was fact and not just an old argument from back when you were alive?

Amen - see my signature. Joke: A group of scientists succeeded in creating life in a test tube - all excited they went outside held up the tube and said - God, if you are there we don't need you anymore we created life from dirt. A booming voice came forth and replied, Get your own dirt"!java script:add_smilie("","smid_8")

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[AnotherTraveler]

truster

The gospel is the plan of adoption by God of who so ever will, He is Almighty, but He gave us free will to chose or to refuse. His power and ability are NOT in question.

God is not willing that any perish. His will does not always get done. As a result, Jesus taught us to pray, "Our Father, Who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name, Thy kingdon come, THY WILL BE DONE, on earth, as it is in heaven..."

We would not have to pray for His will to be done here on earth if it always is done anyway.

Blessings also to you, truster (that is a good nic )

[systemstrike_7]

So are you asking athiests to just believe so they can go to heaven? This is dangerous. Its like when a young beautiful woman marries a really old rich guy. She goes through the few years of hell just to get the money in the end. Sounds a bit selfish... and whats the Christian doctrine? Humility!! The question is who you do it for and can any of you actually say you do it for anyone but yourself? Really think about it. Would you worship God if he said that you wouldn't go to heaven, you would just cease to exist? I honestly don't think so. If Jesus said "Take up your cross" and then said, but even if you do, you will die all the same and just be one with the dirt. So now ask yourself this: Would I still love God and worship him if he didn't benefit me in some way?

[MorningGlory]

So are you asking athiests to just believe so they can go to heaven? This is dangerous. Its like when a young beautiful woman marries a really old rich guy. She goes through the few years of hell just to get the money in the end. Sounds a bit selfish... and whats the Christian doctrine? Humility!! The question is who you do it for and can any of you actually say you do it for anyone but yourself? Really think about it. Would you worship God if he said that you wouldn't go to heaven, you would just cease to exist? I honestly don't think so. If Jesus said "Take up your cross" and then said, but even if you do, you will die all the same and just be one with the dirt. So now ask yourself this: Would I still love God and worship him if he didn't benefit me in some way?

Yesterday you wrote that you no longer believed in Him, Systemstrike. Faith is not a social service; it is what you make of it.

[systemstrike_7]

So are you asking athiests to just believe so they can go to heaven? This is dangerous. Its like when a young beautiful woman marries a really old rich guy. She goes through the few years of hell just to get the money in the end. Sounds a bit selfish... and whats the Christian doctrine? Humility!! The question is who you do it for and can any of you actually say you do it for anyone but yourself? Really think about it. Would you worship God if he said that you wouldn't go to heaven, you would just cease to exist? I honestly don't think so. If Jesus said "Take up your cross" and then said, but even if you do, you will die all the same and just be one with the dirt. So now ask yourself this: Would I still love God and worship him if he didn't benefit me in some way?

Yesterday you wrote that you no longer believed in Him, Systemstrike. Faith is not a social service; it is what you make of it.

You're right, I don't believe in him. I was just questioning why you believed in him. Is it for a selfish reason? I don't expect to get an honest answer. You need to think about this. Was religion invented for the purpose of our self preservation? Deep within our hearts, all we really want is to live forever. Well, we can't do that. So let us hope for a heaven when we die. But wait! Now people are doing whatever they please because they know they are destined for utopia! This is bad news! Lets put some rules down, shall we? Be good=go to heaven. Be bad=suffer eternally! Infinite punishment for a finite crime. Just indeed...

[Questioner]

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This argument paint theism in a very bad light. "Join us, OR ELSE!!" is not an attempt to convince someone, it's an appeal to fear and seems very anti-christian to me. In the past people had to take those kind of threats seriously, e.g. Galileo, but nowadays they're just laughed at. Besides, don't you want to stay away from the tactics used by the Inquisition?

[AnotherTraveler]

It was just a few "what if..." questions.

[Guest liarsandmartyrs]

There are lots of opinions that are given by some to doubt the bible, the existance of God, and the final judgement of all mankind, and though there are some that sincerely want to know the truth, there are others that are striving to win the argument only.

If after dying (most will agree that death is coming eventually to all) you are suddenly aware that you have continued to exist in some form, you are in an entirely different environment, and you find yourself under arrest for the crime of unbelief and other sins that have not been addressed, is it too late for you?

If you should find yourself brought before the Judge, and search was made of all aspects of your life, would things go well for you?

Would you be in shock to learn that the Judge Himself already PAID for your crimes, and you refused the pardon based on your own opinions, so are now left to answer for yourself?

Would you be in shock to learn that the Judge owned everything and tried to adopt you so that you might have an inheritance in Him, but you refused him, would you be sad to learn that was fact and not just an old argument from back when you were alive?

I'm reminded of the story of the old Russian women who lived many years in life with Christ. Her extreme age and many works of charity sparked an human interest story withthe local newspaper. the young reporter after asking her several questions about her life finally asked the question, "What if, when you die, you discover that everything that you believe in is wrong?" Her reply, "Well if I find that everything that I believe in is wrong then you and I are in the same boat, but if I find that everything I believe in I find to be true, then you are ina lot of trouble."

[AnotherTraveler]

I'm reminded of the story of the old Russian women who lived many years in life with Christ. Her extreme age and many works of charity sparked an human interest story withthe local newspaper. the young reporter after asking her several questions about her life finally asked the question, "What if, when you die, you discover that everything that you believe in is wrong?" Her reply, "Well if I find that everything that I believe in is wrong then you and I are in the same boat, but if I find that everything I believe in I find to be true, then you are ina lot of trouble."

good answer