Who Created God?

[hupo]

The part in the article where it says god created time and so time does not affect him is the part i find logical. If god created everything and time then logically time would not affect him. Fair enough.

This line from the article "God, unlike the universe, had no beginning, so doesnt need a cause." This troubles me deeply. How anyone can say this with a straight face and believe it is shocking to me. Did god just pop out of thin air or something. How can god have no beginning. If anyone could answer this question for me i would be grateful because it's this type of claptrap quote that makes my blood boil and to my mind would infuriate religious people as well. We don't know where God came from, ah sure he was there for ever did'nt ya know.

I admit there is no way I can answer your question.

I admit too, that I believe God has always been.

The name of God, Jehovah, in Hebrew means God was, is and will be.

Can I explain it? No!

Can I believe it? Yes, and I do!

"Who created God?" is a question that causes all kinds of problems..... only in the logical realm

God is beyond logic..... always has been

[roselady]

OK let me try to break this down. The Creator is a being, we are not beings, we are human becommings. Always changing, growing, getting old, so on and so forth. The Creator always was, and always will be. There is no beginning or end. So in short, he just exists without any beginning.

Who created God? Here's a link that answers the question.

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c039.html

[apothanein kerdos]

Apologies if I'm repeating anything already stated.

If one can assert that God is infinite, uncaused, outside the confines of physical laws... why can the Universe (overall) not be the same? It may be that the furthest reaches of the Universe simply do not follow our physical laws. It's as mind-boggling as comprehending a Creator God, but it has the advantage of not multiplying unknowns.

Because physical evidence points to the Universe having a beginning. To say the Universe is eternal, you'd have to go against more scientific data than 6 day Creationists do.

[Guest AV1611_USER]

You are also still making the positive assertion (God exists) - the burden of proof is on you.

You're still making the assertion that God doesn't exist. You're just as guilty as we are.

As for the second part, you're only trying to make it look like we have the burden of proof, so that you won't have to defend atheism, which we both know cannot be defended. It cannot hold up philisophically. If you still want proof of God's existence, just look outside the window. Now give us your proof for what you believe. (hint: it doesn't exist).

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: (Romans 1:20 KJV)

Edited June 4, 2007 by AV1611_USER

[Treasure]

Yet their voice [in evidence] goes out through all the earth, their sayings to the end of the world. Of the heavens has God made a tent for the sun

Psalm 19:4

God defies explanation and comprehension. As a Christian, I accept that as truth via a gift called "faith".

Edited July 3, 2007 by 4given1

[hupo]

aaahhhh......... the wonderful gift of faith

To atheists everywhere, I lift my hat off to you...

It takes a lot of faith to really believe that God doesn't exist

Blessings

[mikerunk]

who cares who created god, if he was even created (which I don't believe he was), I mean its not like were ever gone know at least not while we live. Did any one stop and think that maybe just maybe he always was and that he was so lonely he created use so he would have companion, of course we went and screwed that all up didn't we.

[Fraught]

This is somthing really trippy to think about. God created time, and gave us time, but is not limited to time. kingdom theology. Very interesting to think about. More trippy stuff?

Fellow brothers and sisters, we'll all meet up in heaven at the same non-time, because eternity has no basis on time, it's forever. God is the begining middle and end all at once.

Peace and blessings in Christ!

I love that part. It has been speculated that we'll arrive in front of God right at the same time as all of the apostles, all the great evangelists and all of our already departed brothers and sisters. Very Cool.

[kari21]

God would have to be uncreated to "be" God, or whatever created God would be God. On and on you would go until you come to the uncreated "first cause" and THAT would be God. By definition, God would have to have always existed.

Since God is the creator of time, energy and matter, he is above - and not subjected to - His creation. God is outside of time and space. And as God is the author of all scientific laws, he is not subjected to those laws either.

Here is a good little article on the subject:

"The atheist Bertrand Russell wrote in his book "Why I am Not a Christian" that if it is true that all things need a cause then God must also need a cause. He concluded from this that if God needed a cause then God was not God (and if God is not God then of course there is no God). This was basically a slightly more sophisticated form of the childlike question, "Who made God?" Even a child knows that things do not come from nothing, so if God is a "something" then He must have a cause as well, right?

The question is tricky because it sneaks in the false assumption that God came from somewhere and then asks where that might be. The answer is that the question does not even make sense. It is like asking, "What does blue smell like?" Blue is not in the category of things that have odor, so the question itself is flawed. In the same way, God is not in the category of things that are created, or come into existence, or are caused. God is uncaused and uncreated - He simply exists.

How do we know this? Well, we know that from nothing, nothing comes. So if there was ever a time when there was absolutely nothing in existence then nothing would have ever come to exist. But things do exist. Therefore, since there could never have been absolutely nothing, something had to have always been existing. That ever-existing thing is what we call God." -gotquestions.org

[hupo]

God would have to be uncreated to "be" God, or whatever created God would be God. On and on you would go until you come to the uncreated "first cause" and THAT would be God. By definition, God would have to have always existed.

Since God is the creator of time, energy and matter, he is above - and not subjected to - His creation. God is outside of time and space. And as God is the author of all scientific laws, he is not subjected to those laws either.

Here is a good little article on the subject:

"The atheist Bertrand Russell wrote in his book "Why I am Not a Christian" that if it is true that all things need a cause then God must also need a cause. He concluded from this that if God needed a cause then God was not God (and if God is not God then of course there is no God). This was basically a slightly more sophisticated form of the childlike question, "Who made God?" Even a child knows that things do not come from nothing, so if God is a "something" then He must have a cause as well, right?

The question is tricky because it sneaks in the false assumption that God came from somewhere and then asks where that might be. The answer is that the question does not even make sense. It is like asking, "What does blue smell like?" Blue is not in the category of things that have odor, so the question itself is flawed. In the same way, God is not in the category of things that are created, or come into existence, or are caused. God is uncaused and uncreated - He simply exists.

How do we know this? Well, we know that from nothing, nothing comes. So if there was ever a time when there was absolutely nothing in existence then nothing would have ever come to exist. But things do exist. Therefore, since there could never have been absolutely nothing, something had to have always been existing. That ever-existing thing is what we call God." -gotquestions.org

Kari19, I just love your way of thinking

Over time I used to drive myself nuts with this whirlpool kind of meditating.

The bottom line is: We don't know God (in the scientific sense), we believe in Him.

When one says "We know that from nothing, nothing comes" or "all things need a cause", it is akin to saying 1+1=2. It isn't a scientific fact, it's an agreement we made, a standard we agree on. Same with our understanding of God.

God Himself is out of the debate.

He is beyond our understanding.

God just IS, whether we know, believe in Him or not.

How do I know this? I don't!

Our knowledge has no bearing on God's existence.

Terribly frustrating, isn't it?

Blessings in HIM who exists (and I believe it too) :th_praying: