Worthy News: Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton Announces White House Bid

[Scarletprayers]

liberals, hillary, obama & their ilk .................................

God help us all!

[RustyAngeL]

I know 5 people who 10 years ago wouldn't have dreamed of voting for Hillary Clinton; I was one of them. One day I realized that I couldn't think of one good reason not to like her. I realized that the only reason I'd bad-mouthed her was because I'd just bought into the smear campaign that the a.m. radio people heaped on her at every opportunity.

With the mess Bush is going to leave behind I think she's the best candidate for the position. She's smart, she's not too stubborn and she's got diplomacy and lots of experience with people.......and she was right about the health care thing. She's also got a smart husband to help her mend fences, where we need to mend fences.

I'm sure the far-right will go after her with both barrels blazing; they HATE anyone who doesn't cow-tow to them. But like me, I think a lot of Christians are getting fed up with the right telling us what to think, what to do, and how to vote day in and day out. When they can't argue about issues they engage in character attacks even as they promote themselves as being "morally superior".....

Perhaps the Republicans are sitting back with some type of scandle to unleash at the critical moment before the American people vote. I believe that considering who we are dealing with, Hiliary Clinton, there are plenty of opportunities, but they must have their private investigators searching every nook and cranny, and have the will to do whatever is necessary to save us from the havoc she would cause this nation.

see what I mean.....

I just got sick of it especially when I started noticing it. And the abortion issue is also getting old; that one has been "used" for the past 26 yrs with no major changes so that tells me the right doesn't want it to go away anymore than the left does. It just comes in too handy every election cycle.

If the 5 of us have changed our minds about Hillary then I have to think that a lot of other Christians have too even if they're not vocal about it. I think Hillary Clinton's dirty laundry has been hanging out for the world to see for the past 12 years; nothing new to dig up....from here on out anything new will most likely be "made up".

I won't. This is what I have been saying. This woman is dangerous. She is far left and will go even further left when she get's into the White House. Like all liberals she will, while she seeks the White House act and speak as if she is in the middle of the road. That is my mind is even more dangerous. I as a Christian I will not one day stand in front of my God and try and explain why I voted for someone who, want's to teach gay lifestyle to first graders, who, believes that a 13 year old can have an abortion without parental permission, who believes in partial birth abortion. (Abortion is a big deal with me and it always will be) who, is known to have made hateful comments about the right, Christians. This is a woman loves power, and Billy Boy want's money. I cannot believe that Christians who are supposed to stand against evil such as abortion, and gay lifestyles will go to the polls and vote for this woman and her left winged agenda. I pray for her soul.

Oh the dirty "L" word. Lather, rinse, repeat, lather, rinse, repeat.

I've got news for you Rusty, many of "God's people" are liberal and always have been. Many of our founding fathers were most definitely liberal; if they hadn't been we'd still be part of the British Empire.

Abortion may be a big deal to you but evidently, as time has shown, it is only a big deal to the republicans when they're running for office and need your vote. And the republican party has more than it's share of closet homosexuals. As for abortion and the Bible, there is a related topic about that on this forum. Check it out this post The Bible and the Unborn

Question is: What are YOU going to say to God if he asks you why you continued to support "neo- conservatives" like George Bush, Dick Cheney, and the rest of that crowd?

I'm a conservative, I don't apoplgize for that. I don't believe in abortion or the gay lifestyle, I'm not sorry for that. Never will be. In my mind abortion is murder. I will never stand behind that. Doesn't sound like either one of us is going to change our views so, there you have it.

[Hypathia]

I know 5 people who 10 years ago wouldn't have dreamed of voting for Hillary Clinton; I was one of them. One day I realized that I couldn't think of one good reason not to like her. I realized that the only reason I'd bad-mouthed her was because I'd just bought into the smear campaign that the a.m. radio people heaped on her at every opportunity.

With the mess Bush is going to leave behind I think she's the best candidate for the position. She's smart, she's not too stubborn and she's got diplomacy and lots of experience with people.......and she was right about the health care thing. She's also got a smart husband to help her mend fences, where we need to mend fences.

I'm sure the far-right will go after her with both barrels blazing; they HATE anyone who doesn't cow-tow to them. But like me, I think a lot of Christians are getting fed up with the right telling us what to think, what to do, and how to vote day in and day out. When they can't argue about issues they engage in character attacks even as they promote themselves as being "morally superior".....

Perhaps the Republicans are sitting back with some type of scandle to unleash at the critical moment before the American people vote. I believe that considering who we are dealing with, Hiliary Clinton, there are plenty of opportunities, but they must have their private investigators searching every nook and cranny, and have the will to do whatever is necessary to save us from the havoc she would cause this nation.

see what I mean.....

I just got sick of it especially when I started noticing it. And the abortion issue is also getting old; that one has been "used" for the past 26 yrs with no major changes so that tells me the right doesn't want it to go away anymore than the left does. It just comes in too handy every election cycle.

If the 5 of us have changed our minds about Hillary then I have to think that a lot of other Christians have too even if they're not vocal about it. I think Hillary Clinton's dirty laundry has been hanging out for the world to see for the past 12 years; nothing new to dig up....from here on out anything new will most likely be "made up".

I won't. This is what I have been saying. This woman is dangerous. She is far left and will go even further left when she get's into the White House. Like all liberals she will, while she seeks the White House act and speak as if she is in the middle of the road. That is my mind is even more dangerous. I as a Christian I will not one day stand in front of my God and try and explain why I voted for someone who, want's to teach gay lifestyle to first graders, who, believes that a 13 year old can have an abortion without parental permission, who believes in partial birth abortion. (Abortion is a big deal with me and it always will be) who, is known to have made hateful comments about the right, Christians. This is a woman loves power, and Billy Boy want's money. I cannot believe that Christians who are supposed to stand against evil such as abortion, and gay lifestyles will go to the polls and vote for this woman and her left winged agenda. I pray for her soul.

Oh the dirty "L" word. Lather, rinse, repeat, lather, rinse, repeat.

I've got news for you Rusty, many of "God's people" are liberal and always have been. Many of our founding fathers were most definitely liberal; if they hadn't been we'd still be part of the British Empire.

Abortion may be a big deal to you but evidently, as time has shown, it is only a big deal to the republicans when they're running for office and need your vote. And the republican party has more than it's share of closet homosexuals. As for abortion and the Bible, there is a related topic about that on this forum. Check it out this post The Bible and the Unborn

Question is: What are YOU going to say to God if he asks you why you continued to support "neo- conservatives" like George Bush, Dick Cheney, and the rest of that crowd?

I'm a conservative, I don't apoplgize for that. I don't believe in abortion or the gay lifestyle, I'm not sorry for that. Never will be. In my mind abortion is murder. I will never stand behind that. Doesn't sound like either one of us is going to change our views so, there you have it.

I've changed my mind in the past 10 years. I'm now more liberal than conservative and I'm glad I've made the change. I believe abortion should be legal during the first trimester (I used to not believe that) but after that only in the case of a medical emergency. I'm against the gay lifestyle but realize that each person, in a democracy, has the freedom to make their own choices and hold their own beliefs as long as it's with consenting adults. I'm sick of hearing about gay this or gay that; but, as a straight person I don't feel "threatened" by homosexuals. I'd be a lot more concerned if some good-looking fluzy, about 20 yrs younger than me, decided she wanted my man LOL.

Even though I've changed my mind gradually over the years I think the country is so divided now that most people don't do that.

Edited January 22, 2007 by Hypathia

[RustyAngeL]

I know 5 people who 10 years ago wouldn't have dreamed of voting for Hillary Clinton; I was one of them. One day I realized that I couldn't think of one good reason not to like her. I realized that the only reason I'd bad-mouthed her was because I'd just bought into the smear campaign that the a.m. radio people heaped on her at every opportunity.

With the mess Bush is going to leave behind I think she's the best candidate for the position. She's smart, she's not too stubborn and she's got diplomacy and lots of experience with people.......and she was right about the health care thing. She's also got a smart husband to help her mend fences, where we need to mend fences.

I'm sure the far-right will go after her with both barrels blazing; they HATE anyone who doesn't cow-tow to them. But like me, I think a lot of Christians are getting fed up with the right telling us what to think, what to do, and how to vote day in and day out. When they can't argue about issues they engage in character attacks even as they promote themselves as being "morally superior".....

Perhaps the Republicans are sitting back with some type of scandle to unleash at the critical moment before the American people vote. I believe that considering who we are dealing with, Hiliary Clinton, there are plenty of opportunities, but they must have their private investigators searching every nook and cranny, and have the will to do whatever is necessary to save us from the havoc she would cause this nation.

see what I mean.....

I just got sick of it especially when I started noticing it. And the abortion issue is also getting old; that one has been "used" for the past 26 yrs with no major changes so that tells me the right doesn't want it to go away anymore than the left does. It just comes in too handy every election cycle.

If the 5 of us have changed our minds about Hillary then I have to think that a lot of other Christians have too even if they're not vocal about it. I think Hillary Clinton's dirty laundry has been hanging out for the world to see for the past 12 years; nothing new to dig up....from here on out anything new will most likely be "made up".

I won't. This is what I have been saying. This woman is dangerous. She is far left and will go even further left when she get's into the White House. Like all liberals she will, while she seeks the White House act and speak as if she is in the middle of the road. That is my mind is even more dangerous. I as a Christian I will not one day stand in front of my God and try and explain why I voted for someone who, want's to teach gay lifestyle to first graders, who, believes that a 13 year old can have an abortion without parental permission, who believes in partial birth abortion. (Abortion is a big deal with me and it always will be) who, is known to have made hateful comments about the right, Christians. This is a woman loves power, and Billy Boy want's money. I cannot believe that Christians who are supposed to stand against evil such as abortion, and gay lifestyles will go to the polls and vote for this woman and her left winged agenda. I pray for her soul.

Oh the dirty "L" word. Lather, rinse, repeat, lather, rinse, repeat.

I've got news for you Rusty, many of "God's people" are liberal and always have been. Many of our founding fathers were most definitely liberal; if they hadn't been we'd still be part of the British Empire.

Abortion may be a big deal to you but evidently, as time has shown, it is only a big deal to the republicans when they're running for office and need your vote. And the republican party has more than it's share of closet homosexuals. As for abortion and the Bible, there is a related topic about that on this forum. Check it out this post The Bible and the Unborn

Question is: What are YOU going to say to God if he asks you why you continued to support "neo- conservatives" like George Bush, Dick Cheney, and the rest of that crowd?

I'm a conservative, I don't apoplgize for that. I don't believe in abortion or the gay lifestyle, I'm not sorry for that. Never will be. In my mind abortion is murder. I will never stand behind that. Doesn't sound like either one of us is going to change our views so, there you have it.

I've changed my mind in the past 10 years. I'm now more liberal than conservative and I'm glad I've made the change. I believe abortion should be legal during the first trimester (I used to not believe that) but after that only in the case of a medical emergency. I'm against the gay lifestyle but realize that each person, in a democracy, has the freedom to make their own choices and hold their own beliefs as long as it's with consenting adults. I'm sick of hearing about gay this or gay that; but, as a straight person I don't feel "threatened" by homosexuals. I'd be a lot more concerned if some good-looking fluzy, about 20 yrs younger than me, decided she wanted my man LOL.

Even though I've changed my mind gradually over the years I think the country is so divided now that most people don't do that.

A good looking floozy wanting your man??? I feel certian that she would not be able to turn his head. I'm sure he's with you to stay. Some of my dear friends are gay but they also know where I stand on that issue. I sure don't want them teaching kids in Sunday School or in our pulputs and I know God doesn't either.

[Arthur Durnan]

In view of the striking FACT that practically all acts of terrorism today involve the compatriots of polygamist WarLord Muhammad of Yathrib, it's my emphatic view that all Muslims or Middle Eastern men, say, between the ages of 18 and 30 - or those Middle Eastern men who fit into a profiling established by Homeland Security experts with reference to the age-grouping involved in terrorist activities - should receive much more additional airport-screening than middle-aged women or seniors. Simply makes excellent sense. And too, if Barak Obama has radical Muslim connections and has not renounced the 1-in-55 verses in Muhammad's Qur'an re violence, he should be rejected outright by the American populace. Obama is that an UltraLibDem in favor of aborticide and the need for proactiveism re America's enemies. Level-headed people well understand that not all Muslims are by any means terrorists. However, practically all known terrorists today stand by the Islamic religion with its anti-Semitism Unlimited, its horrendous mysogyny, its death-threats for ones who renounce Muhammad, and its emphasis on warfare to propagate its philosophies from its very inception in the seventh-century until the 21st-century. It's not a fascinating picture. In fact it's decidedly underwhelming to say the least.

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[Hypathia]

I sure don't want them teaching kids in Sunday School or in our pulputs and I know God doesn't either.

ME NEITHER!

Arthur - I don't think it's bad to question Barak Obama'a Muslim schooling at all. By what I've read, it was from a group that is very extreme although I think he's Christian now...but I'm not sure. (From wikipedia I believe) so yeah, I want to know his religious views. I feel the same way about a Jewish person and a Christian. I'd want to know that a Jewish person is going to put American interests ahead of Israel and I'd want to know if a Christian person is using Revelation and Daniel as a basis for his foreign policy.

Yes we have freedom of religion but these questions matter and they have a bearing on all our lives. I'd rather have an atheist as President than a religious fanatic whose religious views could lead to our countries destruction. That's not good for anybody of any religious persuasion or no religious persuasion.

I'll tell you one thing, you couldn't have paid me to step foot on that airplane a few months ago if I'd see those Muslims praying in the boarding area. And I'd be a little hesitant if I saw a bunch of Baptist Preachers doing the same......but for different reasons of course. I'd be afraid the Muslims were gonna blow it up and I'd be afraid the Baptists had got a "word of knowledge or somthing" that it was gonna crash. Either way I'd of had to cash in my ticket and take a car instead.

Edited January 22, 2007 by Hypathia

[amor]

In view of the striking FACT that practically all acts of terrorism today involve the compatriots of polygamist WarLord Muhammad of Yathrib,

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Tell that to the families of those killed by the Catholic Basque terrorists in Spain last week. Or those Buddist and Muslim being killed by Hindu tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka. Or the three thousand people in Britain and Ireland killed by protestant and Catholic Iish terrorists over the past 40 years. You talk nonsense.

[Arthur Durnan]

Of course, re Amor, the Islamic determination is a Global Muslim Caliphate bent on the total annihilation of Israel, the Jewish peoples and "satan" America. Amor nicely overlooks this & is probably not concerned about WarLord Muhammad's Qur'an's call to "slay infidels" and to impose heinous Islamic Sharia law worldwide. Neither Buddhists nor Irish folk are involved in world terrorism today as are the compatriots of WarLord Muhammad of Yathrib. Neither Buddhists nor people from the Emerald Isle desire to annihilate Israel, capture "satan" America and impose detestable Sharia law. As soon as he reads of a Buddhist or a Salvation Army-type hiking bombs and employing mass-homicide bombers to blow up women and kiddies, including Muslim infants, well, give it the light of print.! Ho hum.

As for Baptist preachers as per Hypathia's concern, stay on the plane by all means. Those kind folk are indeed relatively harmless - no terrorist bombs stamped S.B.C. yet! - save for their usual 'Sword of the Lord' Book of books which can "make one wise unto salvation." And, oh, Hillary Clinton? Almost forgot. How about American ambassador to Cuba? Or should that ultimately be Cuban ambassador to America?

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[kat8585]

I've got news for you Rusty, many of "God's people" are liberal and always have been. Many of our founding fathers were most definitely liberal; if they hadn't been we'd still be part of the British Empire.

I may be unleashing a firestorm here, but personally, I don't believe it is possible top be a Christian and a liberal.

[forrestkc]

I've got news for you Rusty, many of "God's people" are liberal and always have been. Many of our founding fathers were most definitely liberal; if they hadn't been we'd still be part of the British Empire.

I may be unleashing a firestorm here, but personally, I don't believe it is possible top be a Christian and a liberal.

I suppose then that you have never heard of the Social Gospel Movement, The Catholic Worker Movement, The Christian Democracy Movement, Christians Against Poverty, Sojourners, most of the canonized Saints, The Puritans, The Anglicans, The Catholics (other than their position on Abortion and Gay Marriage, very liberal), The Lutherans, The Quakers, The Peace Churches, The 500 Million Leftist Christians in Latin America, Erasmus, William Tyndale Martin Luther King, Dorothy Day, Jim Wallis, John Wesley, John Wycliffe, Tony Blair, John Ludlow, Cornel West..... and on and on.

Really, your assertion is rather offensive. Are you telling me that I am not a Christian?