Were Adam and Eve married?

[Guest Marquel]

Marquel:In fact, when Adam and Eve were created, Adam said "For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and shall cleave unto his wife. And the two shall become one flesh." That is how Adam and Eve were married. By the actual act of sex. I move to say that unless you have sex, you are not married, according to God.

Hi, Marquel

I'm still reading your post marquel but I've have to say here that Adam did not say this but rather the author of Genesis did. Adam didn't even know at the time what is was to have a mother or father. It is believed that Moses was the author of Genesis. Also if it's true that 'one flesh' was an idimatic phrase as I've heard and that it meant 'one family' then it does not carry any sexual conotations.

I'm finishing your post...

You are correct! Adam did not say that! Thanks for pointing that out.

[Giaour]

wikipedia

Common-law marriage (or common law marriage), sometimes called informal marriage or marriage by habit and repute is, historically, a form of interpersonal status in which a man and a woman are legally married. The term is often mistakenly understood to indicate an interpersonal relationship that is not recognized in law. In fact, a common law marriage is just as legally binding as a statutory or ceremonial marriage in some jurisdictions

[firehill]

wikipedia

Common-law marriage (or common law marriage), sometimes called informal marriage or marriage by habit and repute is, historically, a form of interpersonal status in which a man and a woman are legally married. The term is often mistakenly understood to indicate an interpersonal relationship that is not recognized in law. In fact, a common law marriage is just as legally binding as a statutory or ceremonial marriage in some jurisdictions

[Openly Curious]

'Giaour'

Was Adam and Eve married?

Yes, I believe they were husband and wife as the "Father" gave His first daughter hand away in marriage to Adam. I think everybody pretty much knows where the scripture is where that occurs in Genesis so I want give the scriptures on that.

They didnt apply for a marriage license or see a judge or have a preacher perform a ceremony.

They didnt exchange rings or have a wedding.

They didnt do anything that we do now days to be considered married.

Well for one thing they didn't have the law or goverment back at that time as things were just getting started and all of the nations were being formed as they broke away from one another going there own way in the earth. So there was no law or government as those things were yet to come and be established. Because there was no laws and governments they couldn't issue a certificate of marriage or divorce for that matter if couples didn't want to be together and knowing humanity I am sure that happened even back then.

When did all these traditions start?

Who started them?

I don't think anyone can be sure when the first issue of a marriage license was issued nor can I tell you how to even trace it back. But under the law of Moses as some have already given the scriptures in Matthew about the certificate divorce. So it stands to reason that if you by law got married you would have a certificate or proof that you was indeed married in the same way that a certificate of divorce would be proof you are no longer married. So I would think that it started when the law came into effect.

I imagine that it was also probably needful in society to have some kind of proof that you were indeed married as those who would do their spouses wrong could be held accountable for their actions under the law as there would be legal proof that the two was married otherwise not proof. Just imagine if we didn't have this in place today all of the kids that are abandoned and no one taken responsibilty cause there is no proof or evidence that the kids belong to them. Alot of our traditions come from the bible itself.

Why cant we just vow to each other to be faithful and pray for God to bless our union?

I understand that it would be a much simpler way of doing things and that people would simply stay committed to one another like it should be but the laws of the land are in place to protect and hold us accountable.

Wouldnt they still be a married?

If they was no law present I would say, Yes but if there is a law present I would say, No

OC

[None]

If 2 people vow to be together as husband and wife, and make that vow to God as well, then why are they considered living in sin if they dont have a license?

well...i don't think God considers it sin...and people will always think what they want to think....but the only thing that matters is what God thinks...thanks for giving me something to ask my pastor about...

I believe Jesus covered those questions in Matthew.

Personally, I believe vows said privately could count, depending on the hearts involved, but it's very dangerous ground and easily abused.

So many different groups of people on this earth, each with their own types of vow rituals, who can really say, "No, you're not really married!"? Still, dangerous ground there.

[Giaour]

How does it give the appearance of evil? If someone introduces you to his wife, do you ask for a license?

How many people actually do that Giaour?

I actually know a couple of them.

For the most part, those who live together outside of marriage don't make any such commitment to God.

That may be true but it doesnt invalidate the couples that do exchange vows but dont have a license.

The reason they choose to remain single is because they don't want any commitment.

I dont think this is true for everyone. Those living in Christ who exchange vows want a commitment till death do them part.

It is not as though getting married is a hard process. When I got married, the license was very inexpensive, and I doubt it is that much today.

It's not about it being a hard process. It's about HAVING to get the governments permission to be husband and wife. God sanctions marriages, not the government.

If someone is a Christian, they should get married so as to shun the appearance of evil. In addition, if you are living in a nation where a marriage license is required, you should obey the laws of the land.

My point is that these two Christians ARE married with or without a license, according to God's standards set out in the Bible.

I personally don't see any upside to a couple living together without a marriage licesne. Perhaps you can give me some good reasons why the license is harmful and I will re-think this, but at this point and time, there is no good reason in my mind to reject marriage for the practice of shacking up.

One of the couples that I know, did it because of a death threat and is in hiding, her name cant be on any documents or she will be found.

Another one is a romeo and juliet kind of situation.

Another one is just an anti-governmental interferrence in Godly matters.

By the way Giaour, do you know of any couple living together that has taken a marriage vow between themselves and God to remain together till death do them part, and rejected a marriage license for some reason? If so, what was their reason for doing so?

Answered above.

[Vickilynn]

wikipedia

Common-law marriage (or common law marriage), sometimes called informal marriage or marriage by habit and repute is, historically, a form of interpersonal status in which a man and a woman are legally married. The term is often mistakenly understood to indicate an interpersonal relationship that is not recognized in law. In fact, a common law marriage is just as legally binding as a statutory or ceremonial marriage in some jurisdictions

[Emily~Anne]

John 4:15-18 (New International Version)

15The woman said to him, "Sir, give me this water so that I won't get thirsty and have to keep coming here to draw water."

16He told her, "Go, call your husband and come back."

17"I have no husband," she replied.

Jesus said to her, "You are right when you say you have no husband. 18The fact is, you have had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband. What you have just said is quite true."

[Vickilynn]

Shalom,

http://www.alllaw.com/articles/family/divorce/article61.asp

Is Common Law Marriage an Alternative to the Real Thing?

by Rebecca Berlin

AllLaw.com Legal Center

There are many reasons why people choose not to get married, from the fear that marriage will inevitably lead to divorce to the simple desire to avoid the ceremonial formality that is associated with a marriage. For those who choose not to get a marriage certificate, is a common law marriage a viable alternative? The answer depends on where you live and what your reasons are for avoiding the real thing.

First of all, a common law marriage cannot be established in most states. Only Alabama, Colorado, Iowa, Kansas, Montana, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Texas and Utah, as well as the District of Columbia, recognize common law marriages. New Hampshire recognizes common law marriages only for the purposes of inheritance. In any other state the only marriage that is recognized as valid is an official one. However, if you enter into common law marriage while living in one of the states that permits them, and then move to a state that doesn't, the new state should recognize your marriage as being legally entered into in the other state.

Another thing to consider is that it takes more than just living together to have a common law marriage. Not every couple that lives together intends to be married. The intention to be married is one of the required elements to create a common law marriage. Another element that is necessary to create a common law marriage is that the couple must present themselves as married to others. This means referring to each other as the other's husband or wife, using the same last name, filing joint tax returns, and things of that nature.

Suppose you opt for the common law marriage believing that, if the relationship ends, you'll avoid a nasty divorce proceeding. This is a bad reason to have a common law marriage. A common law marriage is legally recognized as a marriage and the way to end it is by getting a divorce. You won't be able to escape the formalities on this end as you did at the beginning. In fact you might find your divorce a little more complex, because first there will have to be a trial to prove whether or not you were married. If the court decides that your relationship was a common law marriage, then you'll need to get a divorce to end it.

The problem of proving whether or not you are married under the "common law" can plague you even if you don't want a divorce. This is because the marriage relationship involves various legal rights, and if you want to exercise any of those rights, you may find yourself being challenged in court. Consider the following scenarios.

Your common law wife is killed in an automobile accident. The accident is the other driver's fault and you want to file a wrongful death lawsuit so that you can be compensated for your loss and your deceased wife's loss. In order to have standing to bring the suit, you need to have a legally recognized relationship to the deceased. The issue of whether or not your relationship constituted a common law marriage may end up being litigated.

Your common law husband dies without a will. You don't have any children together. You could end up in a court fight with his parents (or other close relatives) about who should inherit his property. They will be claiming to be entitled to his property because the two of you were never married. You will be trying to prove that your relationship constituted a common law marriage.

These and various other legal rights are impacted by the marriage relationship. Having a common law marriage could require you to go to court to prove your married before you can exercise your rights as husband or wife. If your intent is truly to be married, you are probably better off avoiding a "common law" marriage.

[Giaour]

It is not the governments job to sanction marriage.

A marriage is between a man and woman and God.

Adam Eve and God.

I'm not really talking about what the government considers a marriage.

I am more interested in what God considers a marriage.