Texans given deadly force gun laws

[Eliyahuw]

Also, I don't really feel that intruding on private property is always a good reason to shoot and kill someone...while you would certaintly want to punish someone for trying to steal your tv, I don't think killing them is the most appropriate response.

Violation of property is a serious issue. Its a constitutional issue since property rights are part of the foundation of that constitution.

IF someone comes onto my property to steal something i don't know thats all their going to do. I don't know if their intentions are to steal or to rape. So why should I as a property owner wait til they rape my wife or kids to dispatch them. If they have their hands wrapped around my TV, how am i supposed to know if they do't have a gun their going to shoot me with. I myself am not going to take that risk. Personally i'll dispatch them and take my chances with a jury of 12 than take a chance of being carried by 6

Gun laws are always tricky things, I tend to find myself on the fence with most of them. I honestly believe there needs to be some medium; I oppose fully-restricted gun laws just as much as I oppose fully-legalized gun laws.

I oppose any restrictions. What gun law has prevented a criminal from obtaining and using a gun?? Not a single law on the books has ever done that.

[Oh Hamburgers!]

Also, I don't really feel that intruding on private property is always a good reason to shoot and kill someone...while you would certaintly want to punish someone for trying to steal your tv, I don't think killing them is the most appropriate response.

Violation of property is a serious issue. Its a constitutional issue since property rights are part of the foundation of that constitution.

IF someone comes onto my property to steal something i don't know thats all their going to do. I don't know if their intentions are to steal or to rape. So why should I as a property owner wait til they rape my wife or kids to dispatch them. If they have their hands wrapped around my TV, how am i supposed to know if they do't have a gun their going to shoot me with. I myself am not going to take that risk. Personally i'll dispatch them and take my chances with a jury of 12 than take a chance of being carried by 6

I agree that violation of property is a serious issue, but it isn't something that people should be dying over. I also understand that people don't want to "wait and see what happens" when confronted with a prowler. But I'm not advocating doing nothing; of course you can scare someone off, or fire a warning shot, or whatever. But if someone has their hands wrapped around your TV, that is a good indication that they aren't planning on raping your family, or killing you. Obviously you should try to defend yourself, but the whole "shoot first ask questions later" mentality doesn't work in every case. I would certaintly shout, threaten with a gun, and use some choice words to scare off a prowler, but my first reaction wouldn't be to pump them full of lead.

Gun laws are always tricky things, I tend to find myself on the fence with most of them. I honestly believe there needs to be some medium; I oppose fully-restricted gun laws just as much as I oppose fully-legalized gun laws.

I oppose any restrictions. What gun law has prevented a criminal from obtaining and using a gun?? Not a single law on the books has ever done that.

If you completely opposed all weapon restrictions, I would assume you wouldn't have a problem with SAM missles in people's backyards, right?

I personally feel that there comes a point where a gun goes from being a defensive tool to being an offensive killing instrument. A pistol, a shotgun, or any other small arm I have no problem with, because I can see where intent can be personal defense. But once you start talking about RPGs, fully-automatic assault rifles, Gatling guns, I tend to get antsy. Those aren't intended to be used as defensive tools, those are instruments designed for mass killing.

Perhaps we are talking about different things though, I admit my wording was a bit poorly chosen. I was talking about restrictions on certain guns, whereas I think you interpreted what I said to mean restriction on gun usage.

[Wingwalker]

The response time of safety officers to my quick draw; 2 1/2 hours to 1.29 seconds. Any questions?

[Guest yod]

As a law abiding citizen of the nation of Texas, all I have to say is "YEE-HAW"!!!!!

I dare ya to show up in my backyard at 3 AM without calling me first Only a crook would do that. So how do I know that criminals are going to stop after only taking my TV set? Because now "I" can stop it! One warning, then it's a leg. Make a false move and it might be more....

The crime rate plummetted in Texas when the concealed-carry laws and the death penalty passed State legislation.

[rtwo]

What people aren't getting is that these laws are a crime deterrant. It's not designed so that I can blow somebody's head off at will... it's designed so that I don't have to. As people have said: crime rates in areas where these laws are in effect have gone down dramatically... in spite of Rosie O'Donnell's childish insistence that guns cause crime. The reason for this isn't that the Texans are killing all the criminals; it's that a criminal is, by and large, a coward, and has no wish to face somebody without knowing whether or not that person is armed.

By putting the criminal element on notice that they may be shot if they attempt to do someone harm, you've now eliminated a good portion of potential offenders.

[Wingwalker]

[other one]

What people aren't getting is that these laws are a crime deterrant. It's not designed so that I can blow somebody's head off at will... it's designed so that I don't have to. As people have said: crime rates in areas where these laws are in effect have gone down dramatically... in spite of Rosie O'Donnell's childish insistence that guns cause crime. The reason for this isn't that the Texans are killing all the criminals; it's that a criminal is, by and large, a coward, and has no wish to face somebody without knowing whether or not that person is armed.

By putting the criminal element on notice that they may be shot if they attempt to do someone harm, you've now eliminated a good portion of potential offenders.

And you yourself are put on notice that if someone breaks into your house and they have reason to believe that you are there.... they most likely have thoughts of causing you harm, or they would wait until you were gone.

[Eliyahuw]

But I'm not advocating doing nothing; of course you can scare someone off, or fire a warning shot, or whatever.

I would certaintly shout, threaten with a gun, and use some choice words to scare off a prowler, but my first reaction wouldn't be to pump them full of lead.

Two ways of getting yourself killed. You never pull a gun out unless you use it! EVER. Thats the first rule. THat means if your threatened enough to pull it, then you had better make sure you put two to the chest and one to the head. Otherwise, the chances of you surviving just drop drastically!

The second rule is to never holster a pulled weapon until you have shot what you pulled it out on.

If you completely opposed all weapon restrictions, I would assume you wouldn't have a problem with SAM missles in people's backyards, right?

Nope i don't. I have military hardware myself. WHats the problem with that!

I personally feel that there comes a point where a gun goes from being a defensive tool to being an offensive killing instrument. A pistol, a shotgun, or any other small arm I have no problem with, because I can see where intent can be personal defense. But once you start talking about RPGs, fully-automatic assault rifles, Gatling guns, I tend to get antsy. Those aren't intended to be used as defensive tools, those are instruments designed for mass killing.

What part of don't you understand? Specifically the highlighted bold part.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Arms is defined as

1. To supply or equip oneself with weaponry.

2. To prepare oneself for warfare or conflict.

v. tr.

3. To equip with weapons: armed themselves with loaded pistols; arm a missile with a warhead; arm a nation for war.

4. To equip with what is needed for effective action: tax advisers who were armed with the latest forms.

Weaponry as declared in 1 is all weapons collectively which includes military.

Perhaps we are talking about different things though, I admit my wording was a bit poorly chosen. I was talking about restrictions on certain guns, whereas I think you interpreted what I said to mean restriction on gun usage.

I don't think any restrictions are necessary. A well armed nation is a secure nation.

Which is more effective? A military of 2,000,000 men armed, or a nation of 300,000,000 million people armed. Which is harder to overthrow and conquer!

[Eliyahuw]

The response time of safety officers to my quick draw; 2 1/2 hours to 1.29 seconds. Any questions?

Yours is better than mine. Last time the response for me was 8 hours til the shift changed and i had the noaccount bagged and tagged and transported up to the jail.

THey only came out to take pictures and file a report.

[Eliyahuw]

What people aren't getting is that these laws are a crime deterrant. It's not designed so that I can blow somebody's head off at will... it's designed so that I don't have to. As people have said: crime rates in areas where these laws are in effect have gone down dramatically... in spite of Rosie O'Donnell's childish insistence that guns cause crime. The reason for this isn't that the Texans are killing all the criminals; it's that a criminal is, by and large, a coward, and has no wish to face somebody without knowing whether or not that person is armed.

By putting the criminal element on notice that they may be shot if they attempt to do someone harm, you've now eliminated a good portion of potential offenders.

Well around here the meth heads aren't scared of anyone with a gun. Since their almost dead anyway from the meth, might as well make sure they don't take me or my family with htem.

You can't possibly predict what a meth addict will do. Maybe take your tv, then drop it and start firing on you and your family cause you saw them.