Repentance and Salvation

[Matthitjah]

Bless you all,

I believe it's okay to have a brand new car as a believer.

Yet if the new car prevents you via payments from executing True Judgment? Then you better repent and seek righteousness.

In the same way it is okay to have satellite T.V with 152 channels. Yet if you are consummed with channel surfing to the point that you neglect your Lord? Then you better get a hatchet and whack the dish to pieces!

If you look at the new car and it causes you to say look at what my hand has wrought thru my hard work? I Love that car! You better get a chainsaw and cut it clean in half . Better to go bankrupt then sell your birthright for a shiny hunk of metal . That is gonna burn with fervrent heat anyway. Crawl under your bed grab the fourposts and cry out ;

Dear Sweet Jesus! Change My Heart, Blot Out Mine Iniquity! For I Have Trespassed! My Heart Has Wrought Sin O' Lord! Against You and You Alone Blessed Jesus Have I Sinned!

If the Lord told you He was worth more than your opinion? Would you fast from it?

Peace,

Dave

[Adstar]

Repentance is a state of ones spirit. Once you acknowledge you are a sinner needing salvation you are repentant. People who do not think they need saving don't accept Jesus as Messiah.

I was absolutely amazed at your smoking friend What doctrines of demons has he been listening too? If one has to be perfect before one can have grace salvation then upon reaching a sinless state (IE NEVER) one has no longer a need for grace salvation.

So repentance does come before salvation and after salvation the Spirit convicts even more leading to greater repentance.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

[tsth]

If the Lord told you He was worth more than your opinion? Would you fast from it?

Best question ever asked on Worthy Boards, to date!

In His Love,

Suzanne

[WayneB]

Sorry I have neglected responding the last few days. I have been consumed on another thread. Regardless, all your reponses were great and right on. I believe that we all can agree that there is the "act of" repentance and the "condition of" repentance. The act leads to our conversion and the condition is part of our sanctification empowered by the Holy Spirit. Thank you for all your responses. They fed me and increased my understanding.

I was absolutely amazed at your smoking friend  What doctrines of demons has he been listening too? If one has to be perfect before one can have grace salvation then upon reaching a sinless state (IE NEVER) one has no longer a need for grace salvation.

Me too and I have a burden for him. The doctrine was from a mainstream pentecostal denomination, one that use to teach that television was satan's tool and that one sip of wine was a ticket to hell. BAD doctrine!!!! Regardless, bad doctrine hurts people and can be long lasting. Please lift my friend up in prayer...him and his entire family (his son works for me and has issues as well). His name is Jackie --- God knows his last name.

God Bless all of you,

Wayne

Dad Ernie --- I reread your post. Well said and very sound. Many folks do not understand what you said with such great clarity.

[Jedi4Yahweh]

I have heard some of you say that there is no need to repent from sin but self; I am not sure if there is a differance. God has given us all the grace to repent from sin or he would not require this of us. According to Gods word we are required to turn from sin or we will perish even if you have said the sinners prayer a millions times; does you no good unless you repent from sin.

Give me your opinion of the following scriptures:

Suppose I promise good people that they will live, then later they start sinning and believe they will be saved by the good they did in the past. These people will certainly be put to death because of their sins. Their good deeds will be forgotten. Suppose I warn wicked people that they will die because of their sins, and they stop sinning and start doing right. For example, they need to return anything they have taken as security for a loan and anything they have stolen. Then if they stop doing evil and start obeying my Law, they will live. Their past sins will be forgiven, and they will live because they have done right.

(Eze 33:13-16)

Does God require us to repent? Does Jesus say we must repent?

God forgives based on our repentance.

Luk 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.

Luk 17:4 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

Thanks and God bless,

[Fewarechosen7F]

Hello Wayne,

What comes first?

[WayneB]

Even our repentance is subject to grace.

Absolutely! Thank you Lord for the your Holy Spirit who convicts us of our sin and leads us into repentance! Amen

Excellent comments Anne. Thank you for them. My question was geared towards a deeper understanding of repentance (for me and all of us). A few posts back I wrote, "I believe that we all can agree that there is the "act of" repentance and the "condition of" repentance. [Am I splitting hairs?] The act leads to our conversion and the condition is part of our sanctification empowered by the Holy Spirit." I do not believe repentance from sin can be made complete without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, which is why we are to keep the full Armor of God on to withstand the flaming arrows that come our way from the evil one. Without the Holy Spirit to convict us when we sin, we could easily slide back into our old ways.

Ephesians 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

It is always thought provoking to ask simple questions at times...it takes us back to the basics, doesn't it.

Regarding what my church teaches, it is repentance leads to salvation but it doesn't go much deeper regarding a thorough understanding of repentance. I, as you stated, learn mostly from reading the Word as the Spirit gives understanding. It also helps having brothers and sisters in Christ willing to discuss and share, not argue.

Galatians 5:16 So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. 17 For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

God Bless,

Wayne

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[Fewarechosen7F]

1 Cor 6:19-20 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

then by all means, get rid of anything that binds, anything that causes you to lose faith, anything that you might consider sin, which includes your eating habits, your free time activities, your relationships, your pride, things that you know you should do but don't.

Romans 12:1-2 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

We can readily see all of the things you have mentioned are to be gotten rid of, but there are more things to be evicted from the temple of God.

The letter was written to the whole Church at Corinth, and at Rome. Paul was talking more to the whole body as one unit than to individuals, although it applies to the individual also.

Please allow me to show you all something in Isaiah.

Isa 58:6 Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?

When we really think about it, every person on earth has at some time placed some sort of wicked band or heavy burden upon another. The sinner always thinks wickedness is the other guy's fault. But when denominations teach that "you must repent your sin," and then tell us "we can never be free from sin," and "a double minded man is unstable in all his ways," then who is really at fault.

Who is at fault when the members of his congregation sin? Who is responsible for placing that stronghold on the Body of Christ?

That one example is bands of wickedness placed on the wrists and ankles of the church members like shackles. That one teaching is a tremendous burden on the whole body of the Church. And it oppresses every member. What sort of yoke is religion placing on the whole world by telling the world that we can never be free from sin, when all the while Yeshua came to free us from our sin?

So how can we, as members of the Body of Christ, break that stronghold, unless we abandon every false teaching that we find, and search the scriptures for the answers on our own.

[WayneB]

Matthew 11:29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."

Praise His Holy Name!!!!!!!!!!

Wayne

[Jedi4Yahweh]

What sort of yoke is religion placing on the whole world by telling the world that we can never be free from sin, when all the while Yeshua came to free us from our sin?

Amen!!!

Your right most churches teach that it is impossible to be set free from sin. I believe most churches lean toward the idea that we are not set free from sin but from the punishment of sin. But my understand is that Yahshua came to set us free from sin itself which causes punishment.

The bible says that under the new covenant God has inscribed his eternal laws on our heart so that we will not sin agaisnt him. Most Christinas believe that God has done away with law of God but contrary God has made the his laws intimate and placed them in our heart.

Yahshua has come to set us free from sin, which causes condemnation and punishment so that we will be a holy people set free from a life of sin and disobediance toward God.

God bless and I pray that we all grow each day in the grace and knowledge of God,

Jason