Are we commanded to cut our hair or not?

[Guest Biblicist]

[ Like I said, I am simply going off the exchange I read between you an Giaour. Nothing I have up to this point has been untrue.

Shalom,

And that is a lie. All that you have said concerning that exchange has been a lie. Accept it or not, that is the real truth from the only person who knows if I was offended - me. I was not and I am not. Now, if you wish to believe something else, that is your business. But, when you have been told the truth and you continue to post a lie, that becomes slander. Pray about it. Do you really want people to know how far you are going with this and continuing to lie when you;ve been told the truth? It's a little ridiculous.

I know that I cannot accept anything that you write now because I see how you treat the truth with disdain and would rather embrace and perpetuate a lie because it fits your will. Not G-d's will, but yours.

As I said before, believe what you wish, I truly don't care.

I will pray for you as I said and I pray the L-rd will speak to your heart about what you're doing here and why. It is between you and Him.,

G-d bless you.

Vickilynn, I just re-read the exchange in the "Pick and Choose Laws" thread. You did seem rather bent out of joint by the shortening of your name. When Gia appologized you said she was rude.

Even if you really were not offended, it sure looks as if you were. It READS as if you were.

Just adding my 2cents. Shiloh is not totally off base on this one.

[Guest LadyC]

this thread isn't even about hair length anymore. it's about tit-for-tat. it's about having to have the last word. it's become absolutely ridiculous.

shiloh, i totally agree with you. but i'm ASKING you (note to vicki, i'm not instructing him into anything). i'm asking you from the bottom of my heart, to just let her have the last word. i'm not one to ever want the truth to be sacrificed to appease anyone, but you have eloquently laid out the truth from a biblical and historical perspective. Christ would not want to read this thread and see it turning into such a personal thing.... and i agree, you have not gotten personal. but i think the concept of turning the other cheek kinda applies here. since she is unwilling to let it go, and gets all defensive when anyone suggests it (by the way, biblicist, i think your suggestion was the epitome of graciousness, despite how it was received!), perhaps it's time to be the better man, so to speak, so that the newcomers and babes in Christ don't stumble.

i hope i'm not offending you with my suggestion.

[Openly Curious]

'shiloh'

Why are they false? So far, you have completely ignored addressing specfically the charges leveled against by Butero and exrockstar that I am throwing out parts of the Bible, or that I am somehow choppingn up the Bible.

I had read the exchanges between you and Butero and it seem like the point he was making was that you were using a double standard in relation to certain doctrines on the one hand the hair issue was only in Corinthians and so you were saying that if it had been intended for the other churches it would have been in the other epistles as well. But you were not applying the same standards to other doctrines as I also agree with that assumption. So what is wrong with pointing out that contradiction? As it is not an accusation but an "observation" that was made.

so far, you have refused within any degree of specficity, addressed the lack of grace and respect I was handed by those like Butero, who claimed that I was out right wrong that my view on men's hair length is dangerous. He actually several choice words for my perspective that you failed to address with near the degree of specficifity with which you are accusing me.

Where did Butero show a lack of grace and respect in pointing out what I said above already. I believe Butero said that it was your method of interpretation that certain doctrines only applied to certain New Testament churches which can open up the door for false doctrines and that is what he was saying was dangerous and I have to once again agree with that because false doctrines are always dangerous and leads others astray.

I would like to know what the choice words are that you are referring to here butero said? Also, how is pointing these things out showing a lack of grace and respect? I just think if you are pointing the finger here at those who would question something you may have to say or have a differing opinion and they share that opinion and view is wrong then it is equally wrong of you to share an oppossing opinion don't you think?

OC

[Guest Biblicist]

this thread isn't even about hair length anymore. it's about tit-for-tat. it's about having to have the last word. it's become absolutely ridiculous.

shiloh, i totally agree with you. but i'm ASKING you (note to vicki, i'm not instructing him into anything). i'm asking you from the bottom of my heart, to just let her have the last word. i'm not one to ever want the truth to be sacrificed to appease anyone, but you have eloquently laid out the truth from a biblical and historical perspective. Christ would not want to read this thread and see it turning into such a personal thing.... and i agree, you have not gotten personal. but i think the concept of turning the other cheek kinda applies here. since she is unwilling to let it go, and gets all defensive when anyone suggests it (by the way, biblicist, i think your suggestion was the epitome of graciousness, despite how it was received!), perhaps it's time to be the better man, so to speak, so that the newcomers and babes in Christ don't stumble.

i hope i'm not offending you with my suggestion.

and vickilynn, i remember that exchange with giaour.... maybe you weren't offended. but you certainly came across that way at the time. shiloh isn't telling a lie about that. he's expressing his observations based on the way you responded.

[Vickilynn]

[

Vickilynn, I just re-read the exchange in the "Pick and Choose Laws" thread. You did seem rather bent out of joint by the shortening of your name. When Gia appologized you said she was rude.

Even if you really were not offended, it sure looks as if you were. It READS as if you were.

Just adding my 2cents. Shiloh is not totally off base on this one.

Shalom Biblicist,

Yes, Shiloh is off-base because no matter how it reads, I am telling him (and you) that I was not and am not offended. We all know that posts can be taken several ways and obviously, mine was taken wrong if it seemed I was upset. I wasn't and still am not. Now, that wouldn't be a problem except that we have Shiloh insisting that he knows what I was feeling when I'm telling him he is mistaken. And since there is no eay that he can know my emotions and can PROVE I was offended, it is totally ridiculous to persue his insistence on this matter. He will not let go of the lie and embrace the truth. That, is off-base from someone who wishes to teach the Scriptures. What he should do is to say, "I read the exchange and it SEEMED as if you were offended. But since you say you were not, I am sorry for assuming you were." Of course, that would only happen with someone who was open to the truth.

[exrockstar]

this thread isn't even about hair length anymore. it's about tit-for-tat. it's about having to have the last word. it's become absolutely ridiculous.

the "cheering on" of members stink up the thread too it's not just the back and forth posts.

its cool to agree or disagree but the "hoorahs" doesnt show anyone knows anything just that they

make good cheerleaders. A "hoorah" is funny for a post or two however we can't forget this is the Word of God

and not fans cheering on boxers. ... 3xR0c|<stAr

Edited April 9, 2007 by exrockstar

[Vickilynn]

Vickilynn, I just re-read the exchange in the "Pick and Choose Laws" thread. You did seem rather bent out of joint by the shortening of your name. When Gia appologized you said she was rude.

Even if you really were not offended, it sure looks as if you were. It READS as if you were.

Just adding my 2cents. Shiloh is not totally off base on this one.

Shalom Biblicist,

Let's post the exchange in question where you and Shiloh say I got offended, upset, bent out of shape, whined etc.

QUOTE(Giaour @ Mar 15 2007, 06:05 PM) *

Ok vic,

you said you keep all the laws Jesus did.

Do you want to retract that statement or pursue it?

Shalom,

First off, my name is Vickilynn. Thanks so much. thumbsup.gif

Secondly, please show me where I said that I "keep all the laws Jesus did."

That's not what I said, but it's close enough to cause confusion.

I'll be happy to clarify if you like.

The only reference to my name is a sentence which states:

"First off, my name is Vickilynn". Then, I graciously say "Thanks so much" with a thumbs up.

How any of you could get that I was offended from that is beyond me, but, as I've said repeatedly, you can believe what you wish, it matters not. It is here in black and white for all to see.

And LadyC, for you to say I am getting defensive and Shiloh is being a perfect gentleman is even funnier.

The L-rd is the one Who judges and He is the One who knows the heart.

[Guest LadyC]

vicki, thank you for making my point for me.

[Vickilynn]

vicki, thank you for making my point for me.

Shalom LadyC,

[Guest shiloh357]

this thread isn't even about hair length anymore. it's about tit-for-tat. it's about having to have the last word. it's become absolutely ridiculous.

shiloh, i totally agree with you. but i'm ASKING you (note to vicki, i'm not instructing him into anything). i'm asking you from the bottom of my heart, to just let her have the last word. i'm not one to ever want the truth to be sacrificed to appease anyone, but you have eloquently laid out the truth from a biblical and historical perspective. Christ would not want to read this thread and see it turning into such a personal thing.... and i agree, you have not gotten personal. but i think the concept of turning the other cheek kinda applies here. since she is unwilling to let it go, and gets all defensive when anyone suggests it (by the way, biblicist, i think your suggestion was the epitome of graciousness, despite how it was received!), perhaps it's time to be the better man, so to speak, so that the newcomers and babes in Christ don't stumble.

i hope i'm not offending you with my suggestion.

You have not offended me at all. I am done with Vickilynn. As Biblicist pointed out, I am not lying. The very exchange I am referring to between her and Giaour did give the clear impression that she was less than gracious Giaour. Despite what she claims NOW that she felt, the posted echange proves that I am not lying. I will take your suggestion, and I refuse at this point to engage Vickilynn any further.