Salvation "IF YOU"

[SisterT-Enduring2TheEnd]

Luke 12;46...."The Lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder,

[WayneB]

Luke 12;46...."The Lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder,

[Jedi4Yahweh]

Luke 12;46...."The Lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder,

[His son]

A true saint will never "walk away" from Grace....the new creature availeth much.

The words of a man supported only by taking Scripture out of context of all Scripture.

Of course you have scripture that clearly says as much????

There are no Scriptures that support your false doctrine. Your the one who wrote that they were never saved. Those are your words, The Bible doesn't say that they weren't saved you did. Do you understand that? You are adding your words.

Heb 6:4-6

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

(KJV)

If someone is going to fall away from something (in this case salvation) they have to be there. And just like with Christ we all receive that heavenly gift after we are saved, and baptized as our public confession of our faith.

[WayneB]

A true saint will never "walk away" from Grace....the new creature availeth much.

The words of a man supported only by taking Scripture out of context of all Scripture.

Of course you have scripture that clearly says as much????

There are no Scriptures that support your false doctrine. Your the one who wrote that they were never saved. Those are your words, The Bible doesn't say that they weren't saved you did. Do you understand that? You are adding your words.

Heb 6:4-6

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

(KJV)

If someone is going to fall away from something (in this case salvation) they have to be there. And just like with Christ we all receive that heavenly gift after we are saved, and baptized as our public confession of our faith.

His Son and Blindseeker, I may be mistaken but I think y'all are on the same side of the fence. I think we misread His Son's post because he didn't differentiate between a quote and his words. I may be wrong but maybe you both should restate your position.

Peace,

Wayne

[Jedi4Yahweh]

If someone is going to fall away from something (in this case salvation) they have to be there. And just like with Christ we all receive that heavenly gift after we are saved, and baptized as our public confession of our faith.

Hey, that makes way to much sense for a Calvinist.

Calvinst Rule book:

Rule #1: If it makes sense than its has to be false.

Rule #2: If it requires something on my part then its absolutely false.

Rule #3: If you can convince yourself that your saved then your truly saved.

Rule #4: Repentance and Obedience to God is optional.

Rule #5: God picks and chooses unconditionally those he wants to love and hate.

Rule #6 God pick and chooses unconditionally those whom he wants to give eternal life and eternal hell too. (Saved by Luck)

Rule #7: God forces us to love and serve him with out our will or choice.

Rule #8: Evangelism is a waste of time because God has already predetermined those who will and will not be saved.

Rule #9: If a brother or sister falls away into horrible sins then we will deny they were christians to begin with; if they come back we will say that they were just backslidden and saved the whole time.

Rule #10: "Sinners Prayer" is our initial key to salvation rather then Repentance, Faith and Baptism.

etc....

[BlindSeeker]

A true saint will never "walk away" from Grace....the new creature availeth much.

The words of a man supported only by taking Scripture out of context of all Scripture.

Of course you have scripture that clearly says as much????

There are no Scriptures that support your false doctrine. Your the one who wrote that they were never saved. Those are your words, The Bible doesn't say that they weren't saved you did. Do you understand that? You are adding your words . . .

You are mistaken HisSon, I never such a thing nor do I believe such. Better go back and check and find out who you are supposed to be saying such to . . . it isn't me.

Nevertheless, my questions still remains.

[BlindSeeker]

His Son and Blindseeker, I may be mistaken but I think y'all are on the same side of the fence. I think we misread His Son's post because he didn't differentiate between a quote and his words. I may be wrong but maybe you both should restate your position.

Peace,

Wayne

Thanks Wayne . . . I should of read on further . . . .

Peace,

William

[CWJ]

"his portion with the unbelievers"

If he was to get something reserved for unbelievers only, then I see it's clear he's an unbeliever.

No, I know of no scripture that says.." a true saint will never walk away from grace."

But, as this debate has dragged on, plenty of scriputre has been explained that clearly teaches such a fact!

One clear method of issue dodging in debate is to attack the opposing debator, such as character slander.( I'm adding words to scripture!)

Why not tell me what one is saved from if they were "in grace" but then "walked away"?

I suppose you all agree that saved is synonymous with having eternal life and with being born again of God; so if one once has this, and "loses it" as you all say one can.......

THEN

WHAT WAS THIS ONE EVER SAVED FROM!

Saved is definitely a New Test. term. What ever do you suppose God meant!?

SAVED...lost...SAVED....lost...SAVED...........how may times?

Logic here is twisted for you guys, Saved connotates a permanent

state of being!

And....scripture clearly teaches this!

[BlindSeeker]

Why not tell me what one is saved from if they were "in grace" but then "walked away"?

Hello Carl,

I just going to make a submission of scripture here . . .

• Mt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a Son, and thou shalt call His name JESUS: for He shall save His people from their sins.
  

I suppose you all agree that saved is synonymous with having eternal life and with being born again of God;

No, I would equte it as being synonmous as having the promise of eternal life . . .

1Ti 4:8 For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.

2Ti 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,

1Jo 2:25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

The fact that we are born again simple denotes we have been brought back into fellowship with Jesus, who is our life. That is the "the life that now is" of I Tim 4:8. But of we forsake Him for a life of sin again then He will forsake us.

As you know, there are those who are twice dead . . .