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What other purpose would one place themselves under the condemnation of the LAW? it sure isn't going to save them, only condemn them.

Shalom E,

Have you not read any of the numerous posts in the numerous threads on this very topic?

And you still ask this question?

Again, for those reading, the LAW cannot save.

The LAW cannot justify.

The LAW is G-d's Word, His plan, His wisdom.

The Law is good, not to be reviled.

Jesus did not abolish the Law.

Those that choose to observe the Law do so unto the L-rd and the Scriptures FORBID others to judge their motives.

It still doesn't answer my question. the Law is condemnation. Thats its sole purpose. To convict. Once your a christian, theres nothing to convict. you have been pardoned.

I don't understand why anyone would choose to place themselves under condemnation.

Isn't it like riding a fence?? your under the law but you have the covenant of Grace as a backup if you screw up under the law???

The law is history. It is used to show us where we came from and how we get towhere we are now in christ. As with everything in this universe, things have a purpose for a time then they go away. In fact i think christ said as much concerning the law.

When Christ came and made the new covenant of Grace with man, that ended the covenant of the law. old things pass away.

Jesus didn't abolish the law but he FINISHED or Ended the law. the law can still exist being stopped/ended/fulfilled. But if its ended, that means it holds no weight at all over those under grace.

When you fulfill something you complete it, finish it, end the project. When you end a project you archive it and go on to the new things.

Yeah!

It's like the bird, given freedom from its cage, but refuses to fly from it...

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It still doesn't answer my question.

Shalom E,

Of course it does. It's been answered repeatedly. You just won't accept the answer.

the Law is condemnation. Thats its sole purpose. To convict.

And that's where you're wrong.

The Law is not condemnation. G-d's plan was set before time and it is not evil, nor ugly, nor something to despise.

Jesus and Paul said as much.

You do not understand if all you see is condemnation. That is not accurate. But that's why you cannot understand the richness and beauty of observing the law.

They speak and glorify Jesus. Jesus is not condemnation.

Jesus did not end the law, He embodied it.


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It's like the bird, given freedom from its cage, but refuses to fly from it...

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It still doesn't answer my question.

Shalom E,

Of course it does. It's been answered repeatedly. You just won't accept the answer.

the Law is condemnation. Thats its sole purpose. To convict.

And that's where you're wrong.

The Law is not condemnation. G-d's plan was set before time and it is not evil, nor ugly, nor something to despise.

Jesus and Paul said as much.

You do not understand if all you see is condemnation. That is not accurate. But that's why you cannot understand the richness and beauty of observing the law.

They speak and glorify Jesus. Jesus is not condemnation.

Jesus did not end the law, He embodied it.

. The problem we sinners face is that God

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Wasn't the purpose of the Law to prove to us that no matter what we do, we can not achieve righteousness by works?

James 2:10 &17-20

10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law and yet offend on one point, he is guilty of all.

17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18 Yea, a man may say, "Thou hast faith, and I have works." Show me thy faith apart from thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my works.

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well. The devils also believe -- and tremble.

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Sorry if someone said this already, :21: just need to flesh it out for myself.


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Wasn't the purpose of the Law to prove to us that no matter what we do, we can not achieve righteousness by works?

James 2:10 &17-20

10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law and yet offend on one point, he is guilty of all.

17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18 Yea, a man may say, "Thou hast faith, and I have works." Show me thy faith apart from thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my works.

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well. The devils also believe -- and tremble.

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Sorry if someone said this already, :b: just need to flesh it out for myself.

Amen! :21:


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It's like the bird, given freedom from its cage, but refuses to fly from it...

It loves its prison...


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Romans 7:6

But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

Galatians 2:21

I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"

Galatians 3:19

What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was put into effect through angels by a mediator.

Galatians 3:23-25

Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith.

Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.

Galatians 5:18

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.

Ephesians 2:15

by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace,

Philippians 3:9

and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ


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Hello again,

I have one more question. This just kind of popped into my head today and I thought I would ask the good people at Worthy.

Should Christians practice Jewish Law? When reading the gospels, I cannot recall when Jesus actually tells us that it isn't necessary to practice Jewish Law. This could be a stupid question.

I understand that Paul tells us that Gentiles do not need to observe Jewish Law, but didn't Peter and James (brother of Jesus, or half brother or whatever) disagree with Paul?/

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I am quite curious. :24:

it really should not be a question of should i obey God's law or should i not. The law of God is life through knowlege wich leads us to wisdom through understanding and finishes with imputted admiration and love for our Guide. The law of God is perfect and good we don't have to wory about enforcing it or the repercussions of not knowing it. It is freely giving to all and the yoke of the laws burden rests on Christ so we are free to learn what God is like or wants or thinks through it as students not deliverers or enforcers. We have the freedom of forgiveness and mercy through Christ who covers us so we can enter the Holiest of Holies and see God..Fantastic thought you had :24: ..I love a thinker..


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Point Made!!

There is no point in me sharing anything more because you have made a Stand, which won't except any other person's reasoning.

Liz

Shalom Liz,

Amen, you are correct. There is a time to warn a divisive person and leave them. Titus 3.

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