RFID TATTOO

[MorningGlory]

think about it this way....

where is the best place to hide something from some one????

the best place to hide something is right under some ones nose, right were they are looking...

sometimes the truth is so rediculous, that it is the best thing to use to try and trick some one....

actually, Eve was not questioning the truth, she added to the truth, "TWISTED " the truth....

if I wanted you to accept something, i would try and make you think that it is to obvious to be what it really is.....

50 years ago, tattoos were a thing for lowlife people, and sailors and such.....

now tattoos are so well accepted that it is almost a status symbol to have one.....

years ago, men with earrings was a taboo thing, then it was left is right, right is wrong, both it is a girl....

now, it dont matter which ear, or how many or what kind, and lets ad some to the nose, eye and tongue lips and other places and no one thinks twice about it.....

when the chip first came out, people that said they would never take it, are now waffling on whether or not they would allow them or members of their family to take it....

this has come into our lives with so much ease, that people say it can not be the mark for they would know if it was....

the problem is, it makes so much sense......

with a cashless society, if some one buys a big screen TV the ser number will be transfered to their account and the credits will be taken from their account, and that TV becomes worthless to any one that might want to steal it....

with these microchips and tattoos, they can be located from the GPS satties... good for locating kids and pets and other loved ones, great for keeping track of the location of military members.....

with these microchips and tattoos, a persons medical history can be brought up in an instant in the field like in the event of an accident or other emergency.....

with these microchips and tattoos, a person can walk into an airport and with in just a matter of a few minutes can be on board the airplane, where with out it, they may have to spend 3 - 4 hours in the lines waiting for check in and security......

makes a lot of good sense to have one.....

ALL GOOD CITIZENS WILL HAVE ONE.....

yea, we will know..... satan will let us know...... your right, he wont try to hide the truth..... nah....

a friend of mine, has a lantern jaw...... there are only a handful of people that know it, most do not, why???

cause he has hidden it in plain view for all to see..... most people think he has a very cool beard, actually, the beard is only about 1/2 long, but it covers his lantern jaw wonderfullly..... hidden in plain sight for all...

if i want to hide some ones car keys, i place them right were they can be seen, and they will be looking in the chair cushions, and under the chairs and in the coat pockets and and and... while the entire time, they are on the TV stand, infront of the TV which they have been watching for 4 hours.....

how would a thing that is evil be hidden? right in front of our faces...

mike

I hadn't thought of this reasoning but.......it makes perfect sense to me. Isn't that how Hitler convinced ordinary Germans to go along with his madness? To make killing Jews seem necessary for the good of Germany? Satan was obviously the driving force behind the Holocaust yet no seemed to recognize that fact until it was too late.

[Guest]

alright, here is a new thing, some may have already heard about it, some may not have.....

it is a new means of "TAGGING" a person, only this time with out a micro-chip as with the digital angel or the veri-chip, or the more recent developements that have made it as small as one of the dots for a period on this page.....

this is a TATTOO, that is either in clear ink or in colored ink.... it is able to be read by a scanner from several feet away, is invisible to the human eye, can be used on live stock and not even have to shave the area of the tattoo, can be tattooed even with the hair inplace.

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information i received this from is the March 2007 issue of Prophecy In The News.

have fun with this thread...

mike

That could easily fit in with things for the future. I've read some things along this line -- and about the super-cheap internet machine (made in China) for use in 3rd world countries along with wireless internet thru a cell phone system. These are quite easy to set up compared with a traditional land line type phone system. It would seem that the pieces are slowly being moved into place for what's ahead.

"Even so, Come, Lord Jesus!"

[Guest]

I think this is GREAT news!! It seems to me that we are certainly approaching the technology that the anti-christ will use to mark his people. I support the advancements in this technology with great joy...and hope.

Why????

Because as more of this technology comes online, it means we're getting closer and closer to Jesus coming back!

That'll be a great day.

[Axxman]

the above verses do not say we can take the mark, or the number or the name of the beast and be A - OK

we are not to take any of them, not the beast name, not the number of the beast, nor are we to take the mark of the beast..... NONE......

I am not being paranoid, just letting you all know what is happening..... if you do not want to believe, do not want to take heed in what is going on in the world, you have been given information....

just letting you know what is going on.... take it and use it as God directs you, not as I do..

just remember,

if a watchman sounds the alarm, and no one takes heed, then the watchman is not responsible for the blood that is shed, but if the watchman does not sound the alarm, the blood rest on his hands as well...

mike

My EXACT statement was.."If you are NOT worshipping the anti-christ, then I think you are a-ok to get an electronic piece of rice in your hand for ID purposes."

I never said or implied that taking the MOTB is a-ok. However, an entire range of technology is NOT the mark of the beast. And to use such technology is NOT worshipping the anti-christ.

The verses you provided further prove the point that the MOTB is an effort of war against Christians. It won't be given to Christians. For a person to receive the MOTB they would have to show loyalty to the anti-christ and reject God.

The problem with "watchmen" is they can't agree on anything. Thats the problem with modern day prophecy. Prophecy has been so watered down (no doubt a very clever plan by Satan) that it has really become an unreliable source of information. Wasn't it "watchmen" who told us that Gorbachev had the MOTB on his head? Wasn't it "watchmen" who told us not to get Social Security Numbers? Wasn't it "watchmen" who have led us wrong for 2000+ years now???

This new technology may usher in the technology that the anti-christ uses to mark his people and wage all-out war against Christianity. That doesn't mean the technology is evil, or that using that technology is evil. However...when the anti-christ starts mandating its use, as a means of loyalty and worship to him...then we will know. Until then it is just paranoid fear-mongering...and as Christians we have NOTHING to fear from ANY technological advancements.

[Guest]

Actually, I think those accepting the "mark of the beast" will be doing so in worship of the anti-Christ. It will be a conscious decision of those who don't accept Jesus as Savior and part of the deception what will be rampant during that period of time described in Revelation.

(I don't have a Bible in front of me at the moment, and I'm going off the top of my head here. If I'm really off target, sorry.)

[buckthesystem]

the above verses do not say we can take the mark, or the number or the name of the beast and be A - OK

we are not to take any of them, not the beast name, not the number of the beast, nor are we to take the mark of the beast..... NONE......

I am not being paranoid, just letting you all know what is happening..... if you do not want to believe, do not want to take heed in what is going on in the world, you have been given information....

just letting you know what is going on.... take it and use it as God directs you, not as I do..

just remember,

if a watchman sounds the alarm, and no one takes heed, then the watchman is not responsible for the blood that is shed, but if the watchman does not sound the alarm, the blood rest on his hands as well...

mike

My EXACT statement was.."If you are NOT worshipping the anti-christ, then I think you are a-ok to get an electronic piece of rice in your hand for ID purposes."

I never said or implied that taking the MOTB is a-ok. However, an entire range of technology is NOT the mark of the beast. And to use such technology is NOT worshipping the anti-christ.

The verses you provided further prove the point that the MOTB is an effort of war against Christians. It won't be given to Christians. For a person to receive the MOTB they would have to show loyalty to the anti-christ and reject God.

The problem with "watchmen" is they can't agree on anything. Thats the problem with modern day prophecy. Prophecy has been so watered down (no doubt a very clever plan by Satan) that it has really become an unreliable source of information. Wasn't it "watchmen" who told us that Gorbachev had the MOTB on his head? Wasn't it "watchmen" who told us not to get Social Security Numbers? Wasn't it "watchmen" who have led us wrong for 2000+ years now???

This new technology may usher in the technology that the anti-christ uses to mark his people and wage all-out war against Christianity. That doesn't mean the technology is evil, or that using that technology is evil. However...when the anti-christ starts mandating its use, as a means of loyalty and worship to him...then we will know. Until then it is just paranoid fear-mongering...and as Christians we have NOTHING to fear from ANY technological advancements.

Hmmn, an interesting viewpoint, you said: "My EXACT statement was.."If you are NOT worshipping the anti-christ, then I think you are a-ok to get an electronic piece of rice in your hand for ID purposes."

First thing I thought of when reading this was: What exactly would the "ID purposes" be, I mean who or what organisation or government has the right - with or without your consent - to tag you like an animal so that they can ID you? And why do you want to be "IDed" by anyone so badly that you would put a piece of junk into your body?

Next you seem to think that it is OK to embrace a piece of intrusive technology because "it probably isn't the MOB at all", and "anyway you are safe from being branded as belonging to Satan because you do not worship Satan". Despite the fact that by embracing anything that "may usher in the MOB" you are handing the antichrist what he wants on a plate, and making it easy to track you and compel you to "be on his side". Don't you think you have a responsibility to help persuade non-Christians that they shouldn't be cooperating with these ridiculous schemes (if not for the purpose I just mentioned above, then for the purpose of natural rights and civil liberties)?

"He causeth all to receive the mark ........." It couldn't be more clear, it doesn't say "you may choose to get the mark...", "causeth" to my understanding equals compulsion, and "all" means just what it says "all", not just some, or those who worship the beast, but all. Do you suppose that you'll be able to get the "piece of rice in your hand" and then when the Lord says "you don't belong to me as you have got the mark", you can turn round and say "but my heart isn't in it Lord, I do not worship the beast".

Yet think of how many others you've helped make life difficult for, by advocating "technology" that will be handy for the antiChrist to use to count all his followers.

And BTW (in my opinion) people were right to "raise the alarm" about the social security number, mainly because: When Social Security numbers were first issued in 1936, the federal government assured the public that use of the numbers would be limited to Social Security programs. Today, however, the Social Security number (SSN) is the most frequently used recordkeeping number in the United States. SSNs are used for employee files, medical records, health insurance accounts, credit and banking accounts, university ID cards, and many other purposes. In fact, the Social Security number is now required for dependents over one year of age if the parents claim the child for tax purposes.

So as governments are so scrupulously honest - not! Do you think you can trust them (any government) with a tracking device in your body?

[Axxman]

I guess its important to acknowledge that you and I are on opposite ends of the privacy issue (I think you'll agree)...so many of my viewpoints come from a non-worry/pro-faith standpoint. I just don't worry about it because I fully expect our gov't to be go sour, I have for years now, and as time goes by I am proven more and more right. I am not worried about it because I believe that ultimately whatever happens in regards to our gov't, it is part of God's plan.

Hmmn, an interesting viewpoint, you said: "My EXACT statement was.."If you are NOT worshipping the anti-christ, then I think you are a-ok to get an electronic piece of rice in your hand for ID purposes."

First thing I thought of when reading this was: What exactly would the "ID purposes" be, I mean who or what organisation or government has the right - with or without your consent - to tag you like an animal so that they can ID you? And why do you want to be "IDed" by anyone so badly that you would put a piece of junk into your body?

Personally, I hope it contains my debit/savings account info. I think it would be kinda cool to scan my hand and do all my transactions. Or to enter secure facilities (i.e. gov't buildings.) Maybe it could be customizable, like myspace, and we could have cool RFID readouts. Any time you need your ID card, or SSN, or Republican National Committee card...just scan your hand. Its not like most people don't already have to dig these various things out of their wallet all the time anyway. Its just moving the info to a more convenient spot.

Next you seem to think that it is OK to embrace a piece of intrusive technology because "it probably isn't the MOB at all", and "anyway you are safe from being branded as belonging to Satan because you do not worship Satan". Despite the fact that by embracing anything that "may usher in the MOB" you are handing the antichrist what he wants on a plate, and making it easy to track you and compel you to "be on his side". Don't you think you have a responsibility to help persuade non-Christians that they shouldn't be cooperating with these ridiculous schemes (if not for the purpose I just mentioned above, then for the purpose of natural rights and civil liberties)?

The anti-christ, the MOB, the entire end of the Earth...is ALL part of God's plan. Do you really believe that by being afraid of technology you are somehow stopping the "end times?" Do you think we should ban ALL computerized technology? Because ultimately the computer is the forerunner of ALL this RFID technology. By your standard we are assisting the anti-christ and the MOB just by using and propagating computer use. You can't "usher in the MOB" by embracing tachnology...the MOB simply 'is'. And yes, I do have a responsibility to non-christians. My responsibility is to tell them the gospel. It is NOT my responsibility to tell them what they can and cannot do. If a non-christian hears the gospel and has Christ in their heart...the rest is easy. It would be ludicrous to preach the gospel of Christ from a "natural rights and civil liberties standpoint...even possibly unbiblical.

"He causeth all to receive the mark ........." It couldn't be more clear, it doesn't say "you may choose to get the mark...", "causeth" to my understanding equals compulsion, and "all" means just what it says "all", not just some, or those who worship the beast, but all. Do you suppose that you'll be able to get the "piece of rice in your hand" and then when the Lord says "you don't belong to me as you have got the mark", you can turn round and say "but my heart isn't in it Lord, I do not worship the beast".

Yet think of how many others you've helped make life difficult for, by advocating "technology" that will be handy for the antiChrist to use to count all his followers.

This is another classic example of "all" not being "all." Clearly, since Christians will not have the MOB, then he CANNOT cause "all" to have it. It is also clear that the anti-christ would like "all" to have his mark...but we both know he will not succeed in this quest. Another question is why would he want to offer the priviledges and protection that the MOB gives...to those he is at war with? There is simply NO biblical evidence that professed christians will be able to have the MOB. Do you suppose that God would allow His children to be deceived? Isn't it far more likely that God will protect His elect. You are essentially talking about a Christian being able to unwittingly give away his salvation...let alone choosing to give it away. I don't think there is a single biblical point you could make to back up the claim that salvation can be stolen by the anti-christ through deceptive means.

So as governments are so scrupulously honest - not! Do you think you can trust them (any government) with a tracking device in your body?

I guess that I don't expect them to be honest and that makes it easier. I also don't expect them to be naturally evil either. I try not to give power where it is not warranted. Giving an inanimate object a designation of good or evil gives it power. Much like people do with guns. Guns don't kill people anymore than a ID microchip invades your privacy. However, in the wrong hands both objects can be used to devastating effect. I see the RFID as a remarkable piece of technology that is highly convenient. No doubt, at some point in time, a person (like the anti-christ) may use this technology or its offspring to do unspeakable evil. That, my friend, is the will of God Himself and nobody can stop it.

[Guest]

Privacy? Honey, have you had any children? Forget privacy in the labor room!

Great one!