Kind of baptism?

[Fiosh]

How many actually received the "tongues of fire"? ...120 or the Apostles?

Please give Scripture references. Thanks.

F

[Floatingaxe]

How many actually received the "tongues of fire"? ...120 or the Apostles?

Please give Scripture references. Thanks.

F

The Scripture reference is on page 4 of this thread..

1 On the day of Pentecost all the believers were meeting together in one place. 2 Suddenly, there was a sound from heaven like the roaring of a mighty windstorm, and it filled the house where they were sitting. 3 Then, what looked like flames or tongues of fire appeared and settled on each of them. 4 And everyone present was filled with the Holy Spirit and began speaking in other languages, as the Holy Spirit gave them this ability.

There was a gathering of 120 believers as referenced in chapter 1.

[hupo]

Couple of days now since I bumped into something called "Baptism with the Holy Ghost"

I googled it and found it was a big controversy issue.

I must admit, I have never heard of this before and still am in the dark about it, or why it is such a controversy.

Can anyone enlighten me on this subject?

Hope this is not a "pandora's box"

not controversial at all.

through study all things come to light.

This is one thing I can safely agree on E

I aim to find out what scripture has to say about all this

Blessings

[hupo]

Hi Guys,

First let me say I am new to this board joined just today and don't know what has been discussed in the past. But this I do know that believing in and understanding the Baptism of the Holy Spirit greatly depends on which denom. you've come from, what I mean is if your from a non-Pentecostal background the likelihood you know much about the Baptism is probably nil.

But those of us that have been around Pentecostal Churches seemingly all our lives have little doubt in believing in This and understand that This is a Wonderful Gift from God. Something to be desired and sought from God.

Dugmando

Hi there Dugmando and welcome to the board

You may be new here but you seem to know something.

According to what you say, I'm in a good position. That is, I have a clean slate to start with, being from no denomination whatsoever

Yet having said that... do you really believe that understanding baptism depends on your background?

Wouldn't you say it has something to do with the ways of the Lord?

The way HE "whispers" in one's ear?

Blessings

Oops, I just saw another post of yours in answer to Vickilynn, which answers my question to you.

So you can ignore my questions

[hupo]

Couple of days now since I bumped into something called "Baptism with the Holy Ghost"

I googled it and found it was a big controversy issue.

I must admit, I have never heard of this before and still am in the dark about it, or why it is such a controversy.

Can anyone enlighten me on this subject?

Hope this is not a "pandora's box"

This is a really good question -- one every believer should ask. Unfortunately its more of a live hand grenade on some boards, and it has caused all kinds of trouble like church splits, etc. I would recommend doing a Bible Study with A LOT of prayer on the Holy Spirit and His role in the Christian's life. There are plenty of Bible study tools online if you don't have access at home.

You might want to check out this site:

RBC.net Discovery Series

Hope this helps.

Thanks Walla, I haven't been there yet but intend to. Kind of flooded by the responses to this topic.

I'm still trying to figure out what I got myself into

Thanks for the link and God bless

[Fiosh]

How many actually received the "tongues of fire"? ...120 or the Apostles?

Please give Scripture references. Thanks.

F

The Scripture reference is on page 4 of this thread..

1 On the day of Pentecost all the believers were meeting together in one place. 2 Suddenly, there was a sound from heaven like the roaring of a mighty windstorm, and it filled the house where they were sitting. 3 Then, what looked like flames or tongues of fire appeared and settled on each of them. 4 And everyone present was filled with the Holy Spirit and began speaking in other languages, as the Holy Spirit gave them this ability.

There was a gathering of 120 believers as referenced in chapter 1.

Well, it's not all that clear. The word "believers" does not appear in the KJV. Whatever interpretation you are using added it. You have to be careful not to rely on those translations which try to add too much information to what is really there.

"All" is not defined in Acts 2.

However, in Acts 2: 14 it states "But Peter, standing up with the eleven,..."

This seems to imply that it was only the Apostles who were present on Pentecost. The events of Acts 2 take place on a different day from Acts 1.

Peace,

Fiosh

[Floatingaxe]

How many actually received the "tongues of fire"? ...120 or the Apostles?

Please give Scripture references. Thanks.

F

The Scripture reference is on page 4 of this thread..

1 On the day of Pentecost all the believers were meeting together in one place. 2 Suddenly, there was a sound from heaven like the roaring of a mighty windstorm, and it filled the house where they were sitting. 3 Then, what looked like flames or tongues of fire appeared and settled on each of them. 4 And everyone present was filled with the Holy Spirit and began speaking in other languages, as the Holy Spirit gave them this ability.

There was a gathering of 120 believers as referenced in chapter 1.

Well, it's not all that clear. The word "believers" does not appear in the KJV. Whatever interpretation you are using added it. You have to be careful not to rely on those translations which try to add too much information to what is really there.

"All" is not defined in Acts 2.

However, in Acts 2: 14 it states "But Peter, standing up with the eleven,..."

This seems to imply that it was only the Apostles who were present on Pentecost. The events of Acts 2 take place on a different day from Acts 1.

Peace,

Fiosh

You really must read the entire passages, including Acts 1 for fuller understanding.

So what if it says Peter spoke along with the eleven? That is there, and means nothing of what you think. The disciples were a group of at least 120. (Acts 1:15--15 And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples[c] (altogether the number of names was about a hundred and twenty), and said,)

The entire group assembled and waited there in Jerusalem for the Pentecost.

[Openly Curious]

How many actually received the "tongues of fire"? ...120 or the Apostles?

Please give Scripture references. Thanks.

F

The Scripture reference is on page 4 of this thread..

1 On the day of Pentecost all the believers were meeting together in one place. 2 Suddenly, there was a sound from heaven like the roaring of a mighty windstorm, and it filled the house where they were sitting. 3 Then, what looked like flames or tongues of fire appeared and settled on each of them. 4 And everyone present was filled with the Holy Spirit and began speaking in other languages, as the Holy Spirit gave them this ability.

There was a gathering of 120 believers as referenced in chapter 1.

Well, it's not all that clear. The word "believers" does not appear in the KJV. Whatever interpretation you are using added it. You have to be careful not to rely on those translations which try to add too much information to what is really there.

"All" is not defined in Acts 2.

However, in Acts 2: 14 it states "But Peter, standing up with the eleven,..."

This seems to imply that it was only the Apostles who were present on Pentecost. The events of Acts 2 take place on a different day from Acts 1.

Peace,

Fiosh

You really must read the entire passages, including Acts 1 for fuller understanding.

So what if it says Peter spoke along with the eleven? That is there, and means nothing of what you think. The disciples were a group of at least 120. (Acts 1:15--15 And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples[c] (altogether the number of names was about a hundred and twenty), and said,)

The entire group assembled and waited there in Jerusalem for the Pentecost.

You are correct on the 120 as they were tarrying waiting on the Comforter to come. Now some are saying that the Spirit only fell on the apostles but it fell on all of them makes me ask were all apostles oops. Some say that the tongues of fire only fell on the apostles but it fell on all of them makes me ask were all apostles oops. There was one poster said that the apostles recieved the Holy Ghost when He breathed on them and said Recieve ye the Holy Ghost but that was only opening up there minds to the things they had been taught. As they had been instructed by Jesus to tarry at Jerusalem until they was endued with power from on high and that is what they did and the Spirit fell as taught to us in Acts 2.

The people who witnessed this event thought they were drunk with wine but they was told these are not drunk as ye suppose seeing it is but the 3rd hour being 9:00am in the morning as people don't get drunk in the morning but in the evenings. The people that were onlookers had heard there on languages spoken by those who recieved the Holy Spirit baptism on the day of pentecost. It's all right there in the bible and Acts has got plenty of examples as it is a seperate baptism.

We we get born again we get a measure of the Spirit and the baptism of salvation is different as this baptism unto death is the washing away of our past sins and we are raised in the Spirit to newness of life. Then we move from this baptism unto death of our old sinful lifestles to water baptism which is symbolic of our new birth in Christ as we are emerged into the water that symbolizes openly to the world as a testimony of what has happened inwardly within our hearts the washing away of our sins the baptism unto death as taught in Romans 6 and then when the preacher raises us up out of the water it symbolizes openly to the world that we have been raised with Christ to newness of life in the Spirit as this is water baptism.

Then we should go on to seeking the Holy Spirit baptism from there as it is a gift that enables us to be powerful witnesses for our Lord Jesus Christ within His power and not our own.

By the way floatingaxe hey

OC

[exrockstar]

How many actually received the "tongues of fire"? ...120 or the Apostles?

Please give Scripture references. Thanks.

F

120. Acts 1:15.

not sure why your saying "tongues of fire?"

be very careul in which bible version you use. these two seem different. if

you ever see a difference between two versions it is best to use a concordance.

one says "like as of fire" the other says "tongues of fire." there is a diffference.

Acts 2:3 (King James Version)

King James Version (KJV)

3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

Acts 2:3 (New International Version)

3They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them.

[Scarletprayers]

You are correct on the 120 as they were tarrying waiting on the Comforter to come. Now some are saying that the Spirit only fell on the apostles but it fell on all of them makes me ask were all apostles oops. Some say that the tongues of fire only fell on the apostles but it fell on all of them makes me ask were all apostles oops. There was one poster said that the apostles recieved the Holy Ghost when He breathed on them and said Recieve ye the Holy Ghost but that was only opening up there minds to the things they had been taught. As they had been instructed by Jesus to tarry at Jerusalem until they was endued with power from on high and that is what they did and the Spirit fell as taught to us in Acts 2.

The people who witnessed this event thought they were drunk with wine but they was told these are not drunk as ye suppose seeing it is but the 3rd hour being 9:00am in the morning as people don't get drunk in the morning but in the evenings. The people that were onlookers had heard there on languages spoken by those who recieved the Holy Spirit baptism on the day of pentecost. It's all right there in the bible and Acts has got plenty of examples as it is a seperate baptism.

We we get born again we get a measure of the Spirit and the baptism of salvation is different as this baptism unto death is the washing away of our past sins and we are raised in the Spirit to newness of life. Then we move from this baptism unto death of our old sinful lifestles to water baptism which is symbolic of our new birth in Christ as we are emerged into the water that symbolizes openly to the world as a testimony of what has happened inwardly within our hearts the washing away of our sins the baptism unto death as taught in Romans 6 and then when the preacher raises us up out of the water it symbolizes openly to the world that we have been raised with Christ to newness of life in the Spirit as this is water baptism.

Then we should go on to seeking the Holy Spirit baptism from there as it is a gift that enables us to be powerful witnesses for our Lord Jesus Christ within His power and not our own.

By the way floatingaxe hey

OC

First Chapter 1 and Chapter 2 do not seem to be speaking about the same day so its only and assumption that all were still together, and by saying what I have made bold above, thats your interpretation, it doesn't say that, so you are adding to, so that it fits your interpretation. Now I'm not saying your wrong, but if your going to convince me, don't use scripture out of context, or by saying this is what it means when it plainly doesn't say or imply that. I am trying very hard to follow along and pray about all of this, I really do want to understand, its hard enough to follow this when so many people have so many differing views even when they all agree there is the gift of tongues, then you add those that don't.........well its confusing.