Immigration Overpopulation

[other one]

Well it is a problem, and the problem has nothing to do with people who want to come here and work.

It has to do with our labor markets and the many many companies who can make much more money by hiring cheap labor. If there was no work here for these illegal workers most of them would not come. If I had a family in Mexico and made a couple of bucks a day, you bet I would be over here doing everything I could to help my family and work hard and make a better future. I can't blame these people for wanting to do that. I will take them over Paris Hilton any day.

And they like Paris Hilton are criminals.......

I don't think we as a group are putting down the actual people who are sneaking in here to work, but that it is against the law and should not be allowed to happen. I've known several people who were non registered and they were nice people and I hope they can come back here some day "legally"

[TheoMike]

I have dual citizenship, Canadian/American. I know a lot of Canadians living and working down here legally, some have applied for and are in the tedious, expensive process obtaining a Green (Pink) Card. One thing I learned about Americans is that they are compassionate people, full of common sense. I don't think anybody at Worthy is against legal immigration, with caps of course. Not everybody who applies should be allowed to come into the country. This is commonly practiced all over the world by other countries.

What galls American citizens, and landed immigrants like myself, are "open border" people who think anybody who wants to come to America should be able to, and the disregard for American laws by illegal aliens--I refuse to call them "immigrants," they are not "immigrants," they are illegal aliens in the country illegally. Thanks to decades of irresponsibility on the part of the Federal government, we have a situation where you have generations of illegal aliens living and working in America, many of whom have integrated into society, pay taxes, go to church, and so on. We need to uphold the law, yet exercise a measure of compassion at the same time. I am not arrogant enough to tell you how to do this, I for one am not an immigration expert like others here.

Obviously this has nothing to do with the economy--we are at a full capacity of employment in America; anybody who wants a job can find one, even with all the illegal workers here. This has to do with the law and with the respect due American citizens. I really don't think people are racist when we oppose the illegal alien invasion, and I get a little peeved hearing that all the time. It is such a lame argument.

[apothanein kerdos]

I have dual citizenship, Canadian/American. I know a lot of Canadians living and working down here legally, some have applied for and are in the tedious, expensive process obtaining a Green (Pink) Card. One thing I learned about Americans is that they are compassionate people, full of common sense. I don't think anybody at Worthy is against legal immigration, with caps of course. Not everybody who applies should be allowed to come into the country. This is commonly practiced all over the world by other countries.

If they don't have a criminal record or any major diseases, why shouldn't they be allowed to come to America?

What galls American citizens, and landed immigrants like myself, are "open border" people who think anybody who wants to come to America should be able to, and the disregard for American laws by illegal aliens--I refuse to call them "immigrants," they are not "immigrants," they are illegal aliens in the country illegally. Thanks to decades of irresponsibility on the part of the Federal government, we have a situation where you have generations of illegal aliens living and working in America, many of whom have integrated into society, pay taxes, go to church, and so on. We need to uphold the law, yet exercise a measure of compassion at the same time. I am not arrogant enough to tell you how to do this, I for one am not an immigration expert like others here.

We do need to fix the issue. There is a way to do it, but also allow the hard working illegal immigrants that have also been paying taxes to stay. In my opinion, they have earned that right to stay.

The easiest way to fix the problem is to pass a bill that has immigration reform that removes a population cap for immigration, increases its screening efforts, and builds a wall along our border.

Obviously this has nothing to do with the economy--we are at a full capacity of employment in America; anybody who wants a job can find one, even with all the illegal workers here. This has to do with the law and with the respect due American citizens. I really don't think people are racist when we oppose the illegal alien invasion, and I get a little peeved hearing that all the time. It is such a lame argument.

It's not racist when someone speaks out against illegal immigration in terms of economics or legality. It becomes racist when someone mocks them, or when statistics are given showing most want to become citizens they simply mock it and apply a stereotype on it.

If I had supplied statistics showing that 90% of African-Americans on welfare want to be off welfare, and a person came along and said, "Yeah, but what you're missing is, yeah man, of course we want off dat welfare, din we can git all da benefits an make da money, that person would hopefully be reprimanded. Yet, on this thread, one person did that and another laughed about it. Also, if you read the original post it speaks out against legal immigrants. There are two posters on this thread that have also spoken out against legal immigrants.

It becomes racist when you become uncomfortable with the positive aspects of their culture and use that as a reason for rejecting their immigration. I think that is where a majority of the people are.

Think about it, if a bunch of Canadians were pouring across the border, I highly doubt anyone would care. Likewise, we're so worried about terrorists coming in from the southern border, but the truth is it would be much easier to come across the north. Yet, no one ever raises these objections. Wonder why.

[CaritateDei]

I have dual citizenship, Canadian/American. I know a lot of Canadians living and working down here legally, some have applied for and are in the tedious, expensive process obtaining a Green (Pink) Card. One thing I learned about Americans is that they are compassionate people, full of common sense. I don't think anybody at Worthy is against legal immigration, with caps of course. Not everybody who applies should be allowed to come into the country. This is commonly practiced all over the world by other countries.

If they don't have a criminal record or any major diseases, why shouldn't they be allowed to come to America?

What galls American citizens, and landed immigrants like myself, are "open border" people who think anybody who wants to come to America should be able to, and the disregard for American laws by illegal aliens--I refuse to call them "immigrants," they are not "immigrants," they are illegal aliens in the country illegally. Thanks to decades of irresponsibility on the part of the Federal government, we have a situation where you have generations of illegal aliens living and working in America, many of whom have integrated into society, pay taxes, go to church, and so on. We need to uphold the law, yet exercise a measure of compassion at the same time. I am not arrogant enough to tell you how to do this, I for one am not an immigration expert like others here.

We do need to fix the issue. There is a way to do it, but also allow the hard working illegal immigrants that have also been paying taxes to stay. In my opinion, they have earned that right to stay.

The easiest way to fix the problem is to pass a bill that has immigration reform that removes a population cap for immigration, increases its screening efforts, and builds a wall along our border.

Obviously this has nothing to do with the economy--we are at a full capacity of employment in America; anybody who wants a job can find one, even with all the illegal workers here. This has to do with the law and with the respect due American citizens. I really don't think people are racist when we oppose the illegal alien invasion, and I get a little peeved hearing that all the time. It is such a lame argument.

It's not racist when someone speaks out against illegal immigration in terms of economics or legality. It becomes racist when someone mocks them, or when statistics are given showing most want to become citizens they simply mock it and apply a stereotype on it.

If I had supplied statistics showing that 90% of African-Americans on welfare want to be off welfare, and a person came along and said, "Yeah, but what you're missing is, yeah man, of course we want off dat welfare, din we can git all da benefits an make da money, that person would hopefully be reprimanded. Yet, on this thread, one person did that and another laughed about it. Also, if you read the original post it speaks out against legal immigrants. There are two posters on this thread that have also spoken out against legal immigrants.

It becomes racist when you become uncomfortable with the positive aspects of their culture and use that as a reason for rejecting their immigration. I think that is where a majority of the people are.

Think about it, if a bunch of Canadians were pouring across the border, I highly doubt anyone would care. Likewise, we're so worried about terrorists coming in from the southern border, but the truth is it would be much easier to come across the north. Yet, no one ever raises these objections. Wonder why.

We forget...before these folks are immigrants...they are human beings made in the image and likeness of Christ. Why treat them as evil?

Racism, fascism, jingoism...Too many negative -ism's going on here...

[apothanein kerdos]

I have dual citizenship, Canadian/American. I know a lot of Canadians living and working down here legally, some have applied for and are in the tedious, expensive process obtaining a Green (Pink) Card. One thing I learned about Americans is that they are compassionate people, full of common sense. I don't think anybody at Worthy is against legal immigration, with caps of course. Not everybody who applies should be allowed to come into the country. This is commonly practiced all over the world by other countries.

If they don't have a criminal record or any major diseases, why shouldn't they be allowed to come to America?

What galls American citizens, and landed immigrants like myself, are "open border" people who think anybody who wants to come to America should be able to, and the disregard for American laws by illegal aliens--I refuse to call them "immigrants," they are not "immigrants," they are illegal aliens in the country illegally. Thanks to decades of irresponsibility on the part of the Federal government, we have a situation where you have generations of illegal aliens living and working in America, many of whom have integrated into society, pay taxes, go to church, and so on. We need to uphold the law, yet exercise a measure of compassion at the same time. I am not arrogant enough to tell you how to do this, I for one am not an immigration expert like others here.

We do need to fix the issue. There is a way to do it, but also allow the hard working illegal immigrants that have also been paying taxes to stay. In my opinion, they have earned that right to stay.

The easiest way to fix the problem is to pass a bill that has immigration reform that removes a population cap for immigration, increases its screening efforts, and builds a wall along our border.

Obviously this has nothing to do with the economy--we are at a full capacity of employment in America; anybody who wants a job can find one, even with all the illegal workers here. This has to do with the law and with the respect due American citizens. I really don't think people are racist when we oppose the illegal alien invasion, and I get a little peeved hearing that all the time. It is such a lame argument.

It's not racist when someone speaks out against illegal immigration in terms of economics or legality. It becomes racist when someone mocks them, or when statistics are given showing most want to become citizens they simply mock it and apply a stereotype on it.

If I had supplied statistics showing that 90% of African-Americans on welfare want to be off welfare, and a person came along and said, "Yeah, but what you're missing is, yeah man, of course we want off dat welfare, din we can git all da benefits an make da money, that person would hopefully be reprimanded. Yet, on this thread, one person did that and another laughed about it. Also, if you read the original post it speaks out against legal immigrants. There are two posters on this thread that have also spoken out against legal immigrants.

It becomes racist when you become uncomfortable with the positive aspects of their culture and use that as a reason for rejecting their immigration. I think that is where a majority of the people are.

Think about it, if a bunch of Canadians were pouring across the border, I highly doubt anyone would care. Likewise, we're so worried about terrorists coming in from the southern border, but the truth is it would be much easier to come across the north. Yet, no one ever raises these objections. Wonder why.

We forget...before these folks are immigrants...they are human beings made in the image and likeness of Christ. Why treat them as evil?

Racism, fascism, jingoism...Too many negative -ism's going on here...

It is true. To a certain degree, some of these people are legitimate criminals. Some do come here to leech off the system. Some come here for drug trade. Those types are criminals and should be kicked out, image of God or not. Others, however, just want a better life. Those are the ones we should keep - historically, those type of people have made excellent citizens.

[CaritateDei]

I have dual citizenship, Canadian/American. I know a lot of Canadians living and working down here legally, some have applied for and are in the tedious, expensive process obtaining a Green (Pink) Card. One thing I learned about Americans is that they are compassionate people, full of common sense. I don't think anybody at Worthy is against legal immigration, with caps of course. Not everybody who applies should be allowed to come into the country. This is commonly practiced all over the world by other countries.

If they don't have a criminal record or any major diseases, why shouldn't they be allowed to come to America?

What galls American citizens, and landed immigrants like myself, are "open border" people who think anybody who wants to come to America should be able to, and the disregard for American laws by illegal aliens--I refuse to call them "immigrants," they are not "immigrants," they are illegal aliens in the country illegally. Thanks to decades of irresponsibility on the part of the Federal government, we have a situation where you have generations of illegal aliens living and working in America, many of whom have integrated into society, pay taxes, go to church, and so on. We need to uphold the law, yet exercise a measure of compassion at the same time. I am not arrogant enough to tell you how to do this, I for one am not an immigration expert like others here.

We do need to fix the issue. There is a way to do it, but also allow the hard working illegal immigrants that have also been paying taxes to stay. In my opinion, they have earned that right to stay.

The easiest way to fix the problem is to pass a bill that has immigration reform that removes a population cap for immigration, increases its screening efforts, and builds a wall along our border.

Obviously this has nothing to do with the economy--we are at a full capacity of employment in America; anybody who wants a job can find one, even with all the illegal workers here. This has to do with the law and with the respect due American citizens. I really don't think people are racist when we oppose the illegal alien invasion, and I get a little peeved hearing that all the time. It is such a lame argument.

It's not racist when someone speaks out against illegal immigration in terms of economics or legality. It becomes racist when someone mocks them, or when statistics are given showing most want to become citizens they simply mock it and apply a stereotype on it.

If I had supplied statistics showing that 90% of African-Americans on welfare want to be off welfare, and a person came along and said, "Yeah, but what you're missing is, yeah man, of course we want off dat welfare, din we can git all da benefits an make da money, that person would hopefully be reprimanded. Yet, on this thread, one person did that and another laughed about it. Also, if you read the original post it speaks out against legal immigrants. There are two posters on this thread that have also spoken out against legal immigrants.

It becomes racist when you become uncomfortable with the positive aspects of their culture and use that as a reason for rejecting their immigration. I think that is where a majority of the people are.

Think about it, if a bunch of Canadians were pouring across the border, I highly doubt anyone would care. Likewise, we're so worried about terrorists coming in from the southern border, but the truth is it would be much easier to come across the north. Yet, no one ever raises these objections. Wonder why.

We forget...before these folks are immigrants...they are human beings made in the image and likeness of Christ. Why treat them as evil?

Racism, fascism, jingoism...Too many negative -ism's going on here...

It is true. To a certain degree, some of these people are legitimate criminals. Some do come here to leech off the system. Some come here for drug trade. Those types are criminals and should be kicked out, image of God or not. Others, however, just want a better life. Those are the ones we should keep - historically, those type of people have made excellent citizens.

Yeah...there have been a couple of excellent immigrants to these lands now and then...at least three or four...

[Smalcald]

Well it is a problem, and the problem has nothing to do with people who want to come here and work.

It has to do with our labor markets and the many many companies who can make much more money by hiring cheap labor. If there was no work here for these illegal workers most of them would not come. If I had a family in Mexico and made a couple of bucks a day, you bet I would be over here doing everything I could to help my family and work hard and make a better future. I can't blame these people for wanting to do that. I will take them over Paris Hilton any day.

And they like Paris Hilton are criminals.......

I don't think we as a group are putting down the actual people who are sneaking in here to work, but that it is against the law and should not be allowed to happen. I've known several people who were non registered and they were nice people and I hope they can come back here some day "legally"

But the problem is one of two parties. The hardworking immigrants who come here illegally to work their buts of in jobs that American's no longer want to do and then there is the corporations, the food processing plants, the meat packing plants, the chicken factories, the building trades industries, the landscaping industries, etc, who hire them and make billions of dollars from their labor. So who is the problem who has the power, who are the Americans? Remember for every illegal hired there is an American paying them to be here.

Until we get serious about not allowing corporations to hire people who are not citizens, forget about it this is a fake issue and will never change. What it does do is allow us to find another scapegoat to blame and hurt and ridicule we might feel a little better after thumping our chests about these illegal people ,but then we go to Wal-Mart and buy some cheap crap or go to our homes or go to the grocery store and enjoy products made with their sweat.

When I see the anti-immigrant crowd taking on Tyson

[other one]

I have dual citizenship, Canadian/American. I know a lot of Canadians living and working down here legally, some have applied for and are in the tedious, expensive process obtaining a Green (Pink) Card. One thing I learned about Americans is that they are compassionate people, full of common sense. I don't think anybody at Worthy is against legal immigration, with caps of course. Not everybody who applies should be allowed to come into the country. This is commonly practiced all over the world by other countries.

If they don't have a criminal record or any major diseases, why shouldn't they be allowed to come to America?

What galls American citizens, and landed immigrants like myself, are "open border" people who think anybody who wants to come to America should be able to, and the disregard for American laws by illegal aliens--I refuse to call them "immigrants," they are not "immigrants," they are illegal aliens in the country illegally. Thanks to decades of irresponsibility on the part of the Federal government, we have a situation where you have generations of illegal aliens living and working in America, many of whom have integrated into society, pay taxes, go to church, and so on. We need to uphold the law, yet exercise a measure of compassion at the same time. I am not arrogant enough to tell you how to do this, I for one am not an immigration expert like others here.

We do need to fix the issue. There is a way to do it, but also allow the hard working illegal immigrants that have also been paying taxes to stay. In my opinion, they have earned that right to stay.

The easiest way to fix the problem is to pass a bill that has immigration reform that removes a population cap for immigration, increases its screening efforts, and builds a wall along our border.

Obviously this has nothing to do with the economy--we are at a full capacity of employment in America; anybody who wants a job can find one, even with all the illegal workers here. This has to do with the law and with the respect due American citizens. I really don't think people are racist when we oppose the illegal alien invasion, and I get a little peeved hearing that all the time. It is such a lame argument.

It's not racist when someone speaks out against illegal immigration in terms of economics or legality. It becomes racist when someone mocks them, or when statistics are given showing most want to become citizens they simply mock it and apply a stereotype on it.

If I had supplied statistics showing that 90% of African-Americans on welfare want to be off welfare, and a person came along and said, "Yeah, but what you're missing is, yeah man, of course we want off dat welfare, din we can git all da benefits an make da money, that person would hopefully be reprimanded. Yet, on this thread, one person did that and another laughed about it. Also, if you read the original post it speaks out against legal immigrants. There are two posters on this thread that have also spoken out against legal immigrants.

It becomes racist when you become uncomfortable with the positive aspects of their culture and use that as a reason for rejecting their immigration. I think that is where a majority of the people are.

Think about it, if a bunch of Canadians were pouring across the border, I highly doubt anyone would care. Likewise, we're so worried about terrorists coming in from the southern border, but the truth is it would be much easier to come across the north. Yet, no one ever raises these objections. Wonder why.

Well I raise a fuss and most of my friends....... we do not want anyone breaking our laws......

Sa,

[other one]

I have dual citizenship, Canadian/American. I know a lot of Canadians living and working down here legally, some have applied for and are in the tedious, expensive process obtaining a Green (Pink) Card. One thing I learned about Americans is that they are compassionate people, full of common sense. I don't think anybody at Worthy is against legal immigration, with caps of course. Not everybody who applies should be allowed to come into the country. This is commonly practiced all over the world by other countries.

If they don't have a criminal record or any major diseases, why shouldn't they be allowed to come to America?

What galls American citizens, and landed immigrants like myself, are "open border" people who think anybody who wants to come to America should be able to, and the disregard for American laws by illegal aliens--I refuse to call them "immigrants," they are not "immigrants," they are illegal aliens in the country illegally. Thanks to decades of irresponsibility on the part of the Federal government, we have a situation where you have generations of illegal aliens living and working in America, many of whom have integrated into society, pay taxes, go to church, and so on. We need to uphold the law, yet exercise a measure of compassion at the same time. I am not arrogant enough to tell you how to do this, I for one am not an immigration expert like others here.

We do need to fix the issue. There is a way to do it, but also allow the hard working illegal immigrants that have also been paying taxes to stay. In my opinion, they have earned that right to stay.

The easiest way to fix the problem is to pass a bill that has immigration reform that removes a population cap for immigration, increases its screening efforts, and builds a wall along our border.

Obviously this has nothing to do with the economy--we are at a full capacity of employment in America; anybody who wants a job can find one, even with all the illegal workers here. This has to do with the law and with the respect due American citizens. I really don't think people are racist when we oppose the illegal alien invasion, and I get a little peeved hearing that all the time. It is such a lame argument.

It's not racist when someone speaks out against illegal immigration in terms of economics or legality. It becomes racist when someone mocks them, or when statistics are given showing most want to become citizens they simply mock it and apply a stereotype on it.

If I had supplied statistics showing that 90% of African-Americans on welfare want to be off welfare, and a person came along and said, "Yeah, but what you're missing is, yeah man, of course we want off dat welfare, din we can git all da benefits an make da money, that person would hopefully be reprimanded. Yet, on this thread, one person did that and another laughed about it. Also, if you read the original post it speaks out against legal immigrants. There are two posters on this thread that have also spoken out against legal immigrants.

It becomes racist when you become uncomfortable with the positive aspects of their culture and use that as a reason for rejecting their immigration. I think that is where a majority of the people are.

Think about it, if a bunch of Canadians were pouring across the border, I highly doubt anyone would care. Likewise, we're so worried about terrorists coming in from the southern border, but the truth is it would be much easier to come across the north. Yet, no one ever raises these objections. Wonder why.

We forget...before these folks are immigrants...they are human beings made in the image and likeness of Christ. Why treat them as evil?

Racism, fascism, jingoism...Too many negative -ism's going on here...

It is true. To a certain degree, some of these people are legitimate criminals. Some do come here to leech off the system. Some come here for drug trade. Those types are criminals and should be kicked out, image of God or not. Others, however, just want a better life. Those are the ones we should keep - historically, those type of people have made excellent citizens.

AK if they come here illegally they are all criminals..... I don't understand why you don't understand that...... if you break the laws of our country you are a criminal...... they are breaking the law and they are criminals.

[DarkNebulaWelder]

It seems to me, these folk need to become Christianized first, Americanized second

Never before have I heard so many Christians complaining so much that the mission field is coming to them.

WHOAH!!!!!

Kudos!!!