Feminism is anti-Christ

[Neopatriarch]

Shalom Exactly!

That's why the "headship" of Jesus is not a metaphor, but a literal meaning of authority over.

The Scriptures say that:

Jesus is the Head (authority) over husband

Husband submits to Jesus and is Head (authority over) the wife who submits to Him

Children submit to parents

From http://www.baptist2baptist.net/b2barticle.asp?ID=235:

" . . . Ruth A. Tucker, visiting Professor at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School at Deerfield, Illinois, wrote, 'In conclusion, it is my impression that whatever the word kephale meant to the apostle Paul as he wrote I Corinthians 11 and Ephesians 5, it was generally interpreted by the church fathers and by Calvin to mean authority, superior rank or pre-eminence. "

The historically novel exegesis of Ephesians 5:22-23 is the egalitarian one.

-Neopatriarch

PS The article at baptist2baptist.net is pretty good IMO.

[OopsMartin]

Parental authority over children is covered in other scriptures.

Shalom Exactly!

That's why the "headship" of Jesus is not a metaphor, but a literal meaning of authority over.

The Scriptures say that:

Jesus is the Head (authority) over husband

Husband submits to Jesus and is Head (authority over) the wife who submits to Him

Children submit to parents

If we understand that the Bible says what it means, then we won't have this confusion.

G-d's order is beautiful and is an important lesson for us to learn as His Children.

The Bible does not speak of "headSHIP". That is a modern English term. Kephale means the literal head on ones shoulders. When it is used metaphorically, then it can either mean "head over" which is a picture of authority (what we might term "headship") or it can mean "head of" which is an entirely different picture of relationship. The metaphor of kephale in Ephesians is about the husband being kephale OF (not over) and the wife being the "body" OF (not under). The comparison to Christ as "head" OF (not over) and the church being the "body" OF (not under) is shown in the preceeding chapter four and in Colossians 2.

Epe. 4:15 but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head

Edited May 16, 2007 by OopsMartin

[Emily~Anne]

Topics like these make me even more thankful to God for my husband. He treats me with love and respect and I show the same to him. We have no issues with who is dominant. We both want what is best for the other...that is what works and what God's intentions are.

KatyAnn, My husband also treats me with tremendous love and respect, and I submit to him. They are compatible and God's design for husband and wife.

Ephesians 5:22-33

Wives and Husbands

22Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26to make her holy, cleansing[a] her by the washing with water through the word, 27and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church

[firehill]

Parental authority over children is covered in other scriptures.

Shalom Exactly!

That's why the "headship" of Jesus is not a metaphor, but a literal meaning of authority over.

The Scriptures say that:

Jesus is the Head (authority) over husband

Husband submits to Jesus and is Head (authority over) the wife who submits to Him

Children submit to parents

If we understand that the Bible says what it means, then we won't have this confusion.

G-d's order is beautiful and is an important lesson for us to learn as His Children.

The Bible does not speak of "headSHIP". That is a modern English term. Kephale means the literal head on ones shoulders. When it is used metaphorically, then it can either mean "head over" which is a picture of authority (what we might term "headship") or it can mean "head of" which is an entirely different picture of relationship. The metaphor of kephale in Ephesians is about the husband being kephale OF (not over) and the wife being the "body" OF (not under). The comparison to Christ as "head" OF (not over) and the church being the "body" OF (not under) is shown in the preceeding chapter four and in Colossians 2.

Epe. 4:15 but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head

[Emily~Anne]

Firehil, how do you define the word 'submit'?

[firehill]

Firehil, how do you define the word 'submit'?

As Paul does.

I submit posts #79 and 89 in full answer to your question since more information is covered there than I would wish to type!

Ephesians 5:33 sums it up for me since there Paul sums up the husband/wife relationship that he had been painting in chapter 5.

33However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

[exrockstar]

holy molee,

i hope when God blesses me with a wife that

we go together like two peas in a pot. ... 3xR0c|<stAr

[Emily~Anne]

Firehil, how do you define the word 'submit'?

As Paul does.

I submit posts #79 and 89 in full answer to your question since more information is covered there than I would wish to type!

Ephesians 5:33 sums it up for me since there Paul sums up the husband/wife relationship that he had been painting in chapter 5.

33However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

You understand that chapter says that the wife is to submit to her husband. It cant be more clear.

[Fiosh]

Thank you to all who have contributed to this thread - it has been both interesting and instructive.

I have not yet read a response that moves me from my initial position that if wives deny the headship of their husbands then we are in danger of losing the symbolism of Jesus', the bridegroom's, headship of the church (His bride). It seems to me, as a Christian woman, that I would not want to respond to a Christian husband in any way differently from how the church responds to Jesus - i.e. always acknowledging His headship and authority - as well as His love. Jesus' demonstration of His servanthood when He washed the disciples' feet is enough to convince me that Jesus' headship is neither unloving, enslaving or dictatorial. It is, in fact, so beautiful that I cannot understand how any woman could NOT want to have as her head a husband who treated her the way Christ does His church. And is this not what Paul enjoined husbands to do when he said; "Husbands love your wives as Christ loves the Church."

In Jesus,

Ruth

AMEN! Beautiful, Ruth.

I once heard a sermon preached on this theme. The Pastor ended by stating, "Men, you are to love your wives as Christ loved the Church." He then asked the men, "Gentleman, do you know how Christ loved the Church?"

He pointed to the Crucifix, and said: "THAT, is how Christ loved the Church!"

Peace,

Fiosh

[Fiosh]

Firehil, how do you define the word 'submit'?

As Paul does.

I submit posts #79 and 89 in full answer to your question since more information is covered there than I would wish to type!

Ephesians 5:33 sums it up for me since there Paul sums up the husband/wife relationship that he had been painting in chapter 5.

33However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

You understand that chapter says that the wife is to submit to their husband. It cant be more clear.

Exactly.

And, keep in mind that submission, in this context, is a free act of love; it is not a result of domination or intimidation.