Feminism is anti-Christ

[firehill]

I don't have a big interest in the 'submission' aspect of this topic. I've studied this topic for a decade... I'm just not that interested in that aspect of it. OoopsMartin explained very well what submission means in Ephesians 5 and where it's concept begins which is in v.21.

Shalom Firehill,

We should all be interested in submission and it is a very important part of this topic.

Submission is essential for us to learn as Christians.

If we can't submit to our husbands, we can't submit to Jesus.

BTW, I've studied this for 3 decades. So there!

And the Bible is actually the authority here, not Martin.

We wives are to submit to our husbands according to the Scriptures.

The implication was that I'm not interested in discussing the submission aspect of male/female, husband/wife or man/woman relations. There are many reasons why. For one there is no need to repeat what has already been written regarding what submission is. Secondly, it is soo much more than the definition already given it in this thread. We've only hit the tip of the ice burg of the beauty of submission in marriage. It would take me more than any essay to satisfy any real in depth definition in which case Paul didn't even take the time to do. The submission aspect of this topic is indeed very important and much has already been said regarding it. The behavior is essential for all christians, indeed. I'm just not interested in discussing it.

Paul's understanding of submission in Christ begins in Ephesians 5:21 and he sums it up in marriage v.33. Further we are all to be servants/slaves of one another which is much more than submitting to one another.

[firehill]

And they plainly and repeatedly say that husbands are the authority in the home

Chapter and verse please for 'husbands are the authority in the home.' Interpretation is one thing but what is actualy written being what the bible says is another.

We are bought with a price and we do not belong to ourselves.

Well said.

[Emily~Anne]

Wives are to submit to their husbands and there's no way you can twist that no matter how hard you try. The bible says it plainly and clearly in a non-defiable way. Sorry you have such a problem with accepting God's word as is without twisting it.

[firehill]

It appears that my posts aren't even being read.

[OopsMartin]

It appears that my posts aren't even being read.

LOL I know exactly what you mean. Sometimes when people don't comprehend something they just talk around it or repeat their own views.

[exrockstar]

Let's start with #1 that you offer in support of your belief. I'll begin with these two questions: What was the full word of God in Genesis and who was it given to? Can you provide a Genesis verse in the creation narratives that say or teach that Adam was accountable for God's word being present within his marriage?

sure.

forget the apple. forget the sin.

im going to give you some good stuff.

are you familiar with man sacrificing in behalf of their family? althhough that shows accountability. (example in Job 1:5 although theres many more) lol. i'll till tie in Adam.

you do accept that in OT? right?

i'll open some things to you if we're in agreeance with things i just said. ... 3xR0c|<stAr

[firehill]

Let's start with #1 that you offer in support of your belief. I'll begin with these two questions: What was the full word of God in Genesis and who was it given to? Can you provide a Genesis verse in the creation narratives that say or teach that Adam was accountable for God's word being present within his marriage?

sure.

forget the apple. forget the sin.

im going to give you some good stuff.

are you familiar with man sacrificing in behalf of their family? althhough that shows accountability. (example in Job 1:5 although theres many more) lol. i'll till tie in Adam.

you do accept that in OT? right?

i'll open some things to you if we're in agreeance with things i just said. ... 3xR0c|<stAr

Forget the apple? What apple?

Are you refering to Job's personal custom?

Job 1:

5 When a period of feasting had run its course, Job would send and have them purified. Early in the morning he would sacrifice a burnt offering for each of them, thinking, "Perhaps my children have sinned and cursed God in their hearts." This was Job's regular custom.

[Vickilynn]

I don't have a big interest in the 'submission' aspect of this topic. I've studied this topic for a decade... I'm just not that interested in that aspect of it. OoopsMartin explained very well what submission means in Ephesians 5 and where it's concept begins which is in v.21.

Shalom Firehill,

We should all be interested in submission and it is a very important part of this topic.

Submission is essential for us to learn as Christians.

If we can't submit to our husbands, we can't submit to Jesus.

BTW, I've studied this for 3 decades. So there!

And the Bible is actually the authority here, not Martin.

We wives are to submit to our husbands according to the Scriptures.

The implication was that I'm not interested in discussing the submission aspect of male/female, husband/wife or man/woman relations. There are many reasons why. For one there is no need to repeat what has already been written regarding what submission is. Secondly, it is soo much more than the definition already given it in this thread. We've only hit the tip of the ice burg of the beauty of submission in marriage. It would take me more than any essay to satisfy any real in depth definition in which case Paul didn't even take the time to do. The submission aspect of this topic is indeed very important and much has already been said regarding it. The behavior is essential for all christians, indeed. I'm just not interested in discussing it.

Shalom Firehill,

That's OK, you don't have to discuss what you don't want to. Your choice.

However, the submission aspect of the marriage is an essential aspect and cannnot be divorced from the discussion.

I guess we'll continue discussing it.

Paul's understanding of submission in Christ begins in Ephesians 5:21 and he sums it up in marriage v.33. Further we are all to be servants/slaves of one another which is much more than submitting to one another.

Actually, submitting to one another is not more than submitting to a husband and Paul never makes that distinction, that your interpretation, which you're entitled to of course, but again, it's not in the Scripture. I believe the Scriptures makes the case for the wife- to-husband submission to be the most important because:

#1. It is a picture of Jesus and the church

#2. The husband being the authority over the wife is G-'d ordained.

#3. Not every other Believer is our authority, only our husband.

[Vickilynn]

It appears that my posts aren't even being read.

Shalom Firehill,

Of course they are, they are just being rebutted.

[Vickilynn]

And they plainly and repeatedly say that husbands are the authority in the home

Chapter and verse please for 'husbands are the authority in the home.' Interpretation is one thing but what is actualy written being what the bible says is another.

We are bought with a price and we do not belong to ourselves.

Well said.

Shalom Firehill,

Authority over the wife and children = authority in the home.

It's been posted several times by several different people, but once again, I'll post the "chapter and verse" which says that:

Jesus is the head of the husband

The Husband is the head of the wife

The children are to submit to the parents

That is the Scriptural order that G-d set up: the husband is the authority over his wife and children, AKA the "authority in the home."

Ephesians 5

22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands.

Colossians 3:

18 Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.

19 Husbands, love your wives, and do not be harsh with them.

20 Children, obey your parents in everything, for this pleases the Lord.

21 Fathers, do not provoke your children, lest they become discouraged.

22 Slaves,obey in everything those who are your earthly masters, not by way of eye-service, as people-pleasers, but with sincerity of heart, fearing the Lord.

23 Whatever you do, work heartily, as for the Lord and not for men, 24 knowing that from the Lord you will receive the inheritance as your reward. You are serving the Lord Christ. 25 For the wrongdoer will be paid back for the wrong he has done, and there is no partiality.