Feminism is anti-Christ

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Judging by the replies in this thread, it looks to me like the real "anti-christ" is the male ego.

...there are a lot of women taking a position contrary to yours.

As if that even matters.

I'm a woman and I actually prefer to be submissive...IF the man is not completely corrupted with sin. You're saying women are supposed to put their submission into the hands of their husband no matter what. What if he takes full advantage of this and turns her into his slave, mocking her and spitting on her so long as she isn't sinning, this is okay? Power most certainly does corrupt, particularly in this world where Jesus taught that we, as believers, are GOING to be persecuted. You're saying a wife is to subject herself to this abuse by her unsaved husband obediently because this is God's plan for marriage.

I don't think this was God's plan at all.

By the way, what did Jesus say on this wifely submission Paul so boldly preached about?

Jesus is the Word. Everything Paul wrote were his words written through this earthly vessel. I gave you scripture to support my belief, and you have given nothing to prove me wrong. Since you didn't get it the first time, I will post it again. 1 Peter 3:1-2

1 LIKEWISE, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;

2 While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.

I didn't write this. God did through his servant Peter.

It seems to me it's you who doesn't pay attention. Jesus refered to us as dead to the world but alive in Him. Wives who are alive in Christ are supposed to obey a corpse? That's what unsaved people are, being still attatched to this world. This isn't about winning them over with sweetness, it's about obeying a person with 100% different views than you.

Then how do you explain the scriptures I posted?

In the same way I'd explain Solomon, who we all know had over 1,000 women, preached boldly and especially about how sinful these women were. But not him of course.

[firehill]

Ephesians 5:21 "Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God." That is exactly what it says and what it means, within the chain of authority God set up. It cannot mean that everyone is of equal authority or there would be chaos. Imagine the Pastor for instance deciding he wanted to begin an evangelistic outreach, and as the authority in the church began to assign jobs, along with job descriptions. Then you had a layman in the church tell the pastor that he didn't agree with the ministry, and wanted the pastor to submit to his will and scrap it and do a completely differen't type of outreach. If this means we are literally equal and submitting to each other on an equal basis, each person would be eqully right in expecting submission. Obviously, that is not the case.

That is why there is order in the church. Families are different.

No they are not differen't. The scripture says to submit yourselves to one another. If it means each believer is equal, that would mean there is no authority period. Obviously, that is not what it means. It means we are to submit to one another within the order God set up. In the home, that order has the husband in authority over the wife. It also has the parents in authority over the children. I mean, if you are correct, then it stands to reason that the parents would have to submit to the children as well. There is no logic to what you or Oops are teaching.

Jesus is our authority.

I agree that Jesus is in authority over all of mankind. God the Father is over everything. Then Jesus submits to the will of the Father. Men submit to the will of christ. Wives submit to their husbands. Children obey their parents. There is a chain of authority.

That is wrong. There is no chain like that.

There most certainly is. 1 Corinthians 11:3 "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God."

By the way, I have already heard the argument over the Greek word translated head, and I reject the position taken by you, Firehill, and OopsMartin. The word means a head, literal or figurative. It cannot mean a literal head in this context because it would make no sense. It has to mean figuratively, so what it means is chief in authority. I don't care what other word Paul could have used in place of kaphale. That is a straw argument. Just because he chose to use kaphale, and could have used something that you believe would have more plainly meant authority doesn't prove your case.

This passage shows God's chain of authority. It says that the head of man is Christ, and the head of the woman is the man. In that way, there is a comparison made between the fact that the Father is the head of Christ and the husband is the head of the wife.

1 Corinthians 11 is speaking of man and woman NOT husbands and wives. What, was Paul speaking to only married women on the issue of veils?

[firehill]

Ephesians 5:21 "Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God." That is exactly what it says and what it means, within the chain of authority God set up. It cannot mean that everyone is of equal authority or there would be chaos. Imagine the Pastor for instance deciding he wanted to begin an evangelistic outreach, and as the authority in the church began to assign jobs, along with job descriptions. Then you had a layman in the church tell the pastor that he didn't agree with the ministry, and wanted the pastor to submit to his will and scrap it and do a completely differen't type of outreach. If this means we are literally equal and submitting to each other on an equal basis, each person would be eqully right in expecting submission. Obviously, that is not the case.

That is why there is order in the church. Families are different.

No they are not differen't. The scripture says to submit yourselves to one another. If it means each believer is equal, that would mean there is no authority period. Obviously, that is not what it means. It means we are to submit to one another within the order God set up. In the home, that order has the husband in authority over the wife. It also has the parents in authority over the children. I mean, if you are correct, then it stands to reason that the parents would have to submit to the children as well. There is no logic to what you or Oops are teaching.

Jesus is our authority.

I agree that Jesus is in authority over all of mankind. God the Father is over everything. Then Jesus submits to the will of the Father. Men submit to the will of christ. Wives submit to their husbands. Children obey their parents. There is a chain of authority.

That is wrong. There is no chain like that.

There most certainly is. 1 Corinthians 11:3 "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God."

By the way, I have already heard the argument over the Greek word translated head, and I reject the position taken by you, Firehill, and OopsMartin. The word means a head, literal or figurative. It cannot mean a literal head in this context because it would make no sense. It has to mean figuratively, so what it means is chief in authority. I don't care what other word Paul could have used in place of kaphale. That is a straw argument. Just because he chose to use kaphale, and could have used something that you believe would have more plainly meant authority doesn't prove your case.

This passage shows God's chain of authority. It says that the head of man is Christ, and the head of the woman is the man. In that way, there is a comparison made between the fact that the Father is the head of Christ and the husband is the head of the wife.

Uh, I read the man is the head of the woman in 1 Co 11. Want me to quote it?

Good Firehill. You said you didn't know where the comparison was made about the wives submitting to their husbands in the same way Christ submits to the Father. This passage shows both in that it mentions the Father being the head of Christ and the man being the head of the woman.

Bingo, man and woman, NOT husband and wife!

[minnow]

This passage shows God's chain of authority. It says that the head of man is Christ, and the head of the woman is the man. In that way, there is a comparison made between the fact that the Father is the head of Christ and the husband is the head of the wife.

1 Corinthians 11 is speaking of man and woman NOT husbands and wives. What, was Paul speaking to only married women on the issue of veils?

Paul speaks to authority within the church in 1 Timothy 2:11-14 NASB

A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness.

But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.

For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve.

And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.

[Openly Curious]

No, it was more than Adam being lonely and in need of a companion. Adam was commanded to be fruitful and multiply and he could never do that by himself he needed the help of a woman.

Where was ADAM alone commanded to multiply before the woman was created? God blessed THEM and told THEM to multiply.

Ah, peaked your curiosity did I. The scriptures teach us that Adam was First formed then Eve and I'll let you look that up give you a hint it is in Timothy. The commands that are found in Genesis 1:28 was given to Adam before she was taken from his rib in Genesis 2:21. Not only were the commands given to Adam to replenish the earth he had named all the animals and things before Eve was created for him Genesis 2:19-20. Not only that but Adam was given the only law in which he and the woman had to abide by in the garden prior to Eve being created which was not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Adam was given that law not Eve in Genesis 2:16-17.

All of that shows that Adam was on this earth for a period of time I don't know how long of a time before the woman was created by God. There are things that God only shared with Adam and with Adam alone without the woman being on earth yet and that is why I suppose it is not that woman should teach the man nor ursurp his authority because of his place before God in God's divine order of creation as Adam was first formed.

OC

[firehill]

Ephesians 5:21 "Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God." That is exactly what it says and what it means, within the chain of authority God set up. It cannot mean that everyone is of equal authority or there would be chaos. Imagine the Pastor for instance deciding he wanted to begin an evangelistic outreach, and as the authority in the church began to assign jobs, along with job descriptions. Then you had a layman in the church tell the pastor that he didn't agree with the ministry, and wanted the pastor to submit to his will and scrap it and do a completely differen't type of outreach. If this means we are literally equal and submitting to each other on an equal basis, each person would be eqully right in expecting submission. Obviously, that is not the case.

That is why there is order in the church. Families are different.

No they are not differen't. The scripture says to submit yourselves to one another. If it means each believer is equal, that would mean there is no authority period. Obviously, that is not what it means. It means we are to submit to one another within the order God set up. In the home, that order has the husband in authority over the wife. It also has the parents in authority over the children. I mean, if you are correct, then it stands to reason that the parents would have to submit to the children as well. There is no logic to what you or Oops are teaching.

Jesus is our authority.

I agree that Jesus is in authority over all of mankind. God the Father is over everything. Then Jesus submits to the will of the Father. Men submit to the will of christ. Wives submit to their husbands. Children obey their parents. There is a chain of authority.

That is wrong. There is no chain like that.

There most certainly is. 1 Corinthians 11:3 "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God."

By the way, I have already heard the argument over the Greek word translated head, and I reject the position taken by you, Firehill, and OopsMartin. The word means a head, literal or figurative. It cannot mean a literal head in this context because it would make no sense. It has to mean figuratively, so what it means is chief in authority. I don't care what other word Paul could have used in place of kaphale. That is a straw argument. Just because he chose to use kaphale, and could have used something that you believe would have more plainly meant authority doesn't prove your case.

This passage shows God's chain of authority. It says that the head of man is Christ, and the head of the woman is the man. In that way, there is a comparison made between the fact that the Father is the head of Christ and the husband is the head of the wife.

1 Corinthians 11 is speaking of man and woman NOT husbands and wives. What, was Paul speaking to only married women on the issue of veils?

That makes a lot more sense Firehill. I guess women are supposed to submit to men in general, even if they are not their husbands?

If I accept what you said Firehill, women are not to be in any place of authority period over a man.

What the passage is saying makes sense if your not inserting your ideology into the passage and what you believe 'head' means. In 1 Co 11 it says 'the man is the head of the woman' NOT 'the husband is the head of the wife'. You quoted it yourself. Your trying to make sense out of it within your view of male female hierarchal relations.

[firehill]

This passage shows God's chain of authority. It says that the head of man is Christ, and the head of the woman is the man. In that way, there is a comparison made between the fact that the Father is the head of Christ and the husband is the head of the wife.

1 Corinthians 11 is speaking of man and woman NOT husbands and wives. What, was Paul speaking to only married women on the issue of veils?

Paul speaks to authority within the church in 1 Timothy 2:11-14 NASB

A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness.

But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.

For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve.

And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.

'I do not allow...' Yeah, Paul said 'I' alot like even on matters of marriage and divorce.

When Paul meant he had an absolute command from the Lord, He said (wrote) SO! Want me to quote those verses too?

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Judging by the replies in this thread, it looks to me like the real "anti-christ" is the male ego.

...there are a lot of women taking a position contrary to yours.

As if that even matters.

I'm a woman and I actually prefer to be submissive...IF the man is not completely corrupted with sin. You're saying women are supposed to put their submission into the hands of their husband no matter what. What if he takes full advantage of this and turns her into his slave, mocking her and spitting on her so long as she isn't sinning, this is okay? Power most certainly does corrupt, particularly in this world where Jesus taught that we, as believers, are GOING to be persecuted. You're saying a wife is to subject herself to this abuse by her unsaved husband obediently because this is God's plan for marriage.

I don't think this was God's plan at all.

By the way, what did Jesus say on this wifely submission Paul so boldly preached about?

Jesus is the Word. Everything Paul wrote were his words written through this earthly vessel. I gave you scripture to support my belief, and you have given nothing to prove me wrong. Since you didn't get it the first time, I will post it again. 1 Peter 3:1-2

1 LIKEWISE, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;

2 While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.

I didn't write this. God did through his servant Peter.

It seems to me it's you who doesn't pay attention. Jesus refered to us as dead to the world but alive in Him. Wives who are alive in Christ are supposed to obey a corpse? That's what unsaved people are, being still attatched to this world. This isn't about winning them over with sweetness, it's about obeying a person with 100% different views than you.

Then how do you explain the scriptures I posted?

In the same way I'd explain Solomon, who we all know had over 1,000 women, preached boldly and especially about how sinful these women were. But not him of course.

But what you are doing is discrediting scripture?

I'm saying the scriptures that were written have a lot of the personalities of each of the writers who wrote it just like you yourself write with your own personality peeking through.

[Openly Curious]

Curious am I,

But I suffer not a woman to teach nor ursurp authority over the man......

How is it that a woman can "ursurp" authority over the man in this verse if the man supposedly doesn't have any?

Oh do tell.

OC

[firehill]

No, it was more than Adam being lonely and in need of a companion. Adam was commanded to be fruitful and multiply and he could never do that by himself he needed the help of a woman.

Where was ADAM alone commanded to multiply before the woman was created? God blessed THEM and told THEM to multiply.

...The scriptures teach us that Adam was First formed then Eve and I'll let you look that up give you a hint it is in Timothy. The commands that are found in Genesis 1:28 was given to Adam before she was taken from his rib in Genesis 2:21. Not only were the commands given to Adam to replenish the earth he had named all the animals and things before Eve was created for him Genesis 2:19-20.

27 So God created human beings in his own image.

In the image of God he created them;

male and female he created them.

28 Then God blessed them and said,