Does God love Homosexuals Too?

[Dog House Bill]

If nobody answers your reply, it is because this thread was active in 2007, two years ago, and again in the fall of 2008, about 6 months ago. Just thought you should know ...

So in other words, this is a "Dead Thread?"

[HAZARD]

Yes, I typed this earlier but decided to post it as a topic so that I could get a legitimate response.

If God smote Sodom and Gomorrah (plz don't kill me on spelling, I do not have my bible on hand) for the homosexual acts committed there, does he love the gays? Or were they just so far gone that God knew that they would only pervert the world? What?

"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved." (John 3:17).

"And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved." (Acts 2:21).

"And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved." (Romans 10:9).

"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." (1 Timothy 2:3-4).

God wants all men to be saved and he gives us many statements as to what we need to do to be saved. Its the sin, any sin that God hates, not men.

Personal sin is between God and the sinner, and not anyon elses business unless advice is requested.

Haz.

[Guest shiloh357]

QUOTE (Dog House Bill @ Apr 3 2009, 07:09 PM)

In the Eyes of God, ALL sin is to be punished with the same extreme, the lake of fire.

So a 12 year old who stole a 20 cent eraser should suffer eternal punishment in the Lake of Fire with the SS officer who shot children in the back of the head? I'd say you have a serious moral problem on your hands. Or is there something I am missing?

Yes. Man is born in sin, separated from and at enmity with God. The Bible calls that condition sin. The little child and the SS soldier if they choose continued separation from God and die in that condition will suffer the consequence of that choice. It is nothing to do with that they did, but with what they are.

The atheist who is moral will suffer the same consequences for choosing to remain an atheist as will Charles Manson. Both are equally separated from God and it is their common spiritually dead condition that will determine their eternal future.

[HAZARD]

In the Eyes of God, ALL sin is to be punished with the same extreme, the lake of fire.

So a 12 year old who stole a 20 cent eraser should suffer eternal punishment in the Lake of Fire with the SS officer who shot children in the back of the head? I'd say you have a serious moral problem on your hands. Or is there something I am missing?

God calls many people and many resist this calling. In my humble opinion those who resist and deny God have no idea who He is for many and various reasons. God wants that all men be saved but as I said, many willingly resist Him. Jesus said these words regarding mens calling.

"I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." (Mark 5:32), "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." (John 6:44). Continue to resist this calling and your on your own. If God does not exist, if Jesus did not die and was raised again, those who do not believe have nothing to worry about and nothing to look forward to.

If God does exist and His Word is true, those who knowingly and willfully deny God can look forward to an eternal life in the Lake of Fire, which is the eternal Hell and perdition of wicked men, those who deny the Father and Christ, demons, fallen angels, and all rebellious creatures of all ages who have ever rebelled against God, and who have refused to repent when they could have. It is called "The Gehenna of Fire" and is always translated Hell (Matt. 5:22, 29, 30; 10:28; 18:9; 23:15, 33; Mark 9:43-45, 47; Luke 12:5; James 3:6). This prison is also called "the second death, which is the lake of fire" (Rev. 2:11; 20:6, 14). This final Hell was prepared for the devil and all his angels (Matt. 25:41-46), and for all other rebells, and it is ETERNAL in duration (Rev. 14:9-14; 20:10-15; Isa. 66:22-24; Matt. 25:46). There is no record in Scripture of anyone being the lake of fire at present. Scripture does show that the beast and the false prophet will be the first to be cast into it. This will happen before the Millennium (Rev. 19:20). They will still be there 1,000 years later when the devil and all other rebells will be cast into it (Rev. 20:10-15).

Scripture shows that there will be degrees of punishment in Hell as far as remorse and torment of the conscience is concerned (Matt. 10:15; 11:22; 12:41; 23:14; Mark 6:11; 12:40; Luke 10:14; 11:31, 32; 20:47). These degrees of punishment will be because of the kind of sins comitted by one that were not comitted by another. No man will be punished or could have remorse over something he did not do. They will all regret rebelling against God and man and failing to believe in Jesus, and repenting of sin.

All the pet theories of men, the traditions of churches, and the ideas and teachings of false teachers and preachers can never change the Word of God.

[BlindSeeker]

Well, since animals in nature have had homosexual tendencies, I would assume that the answer is yes.

Yes, all creation suffers from the repercussion of the sins of humanity.

Yet, God so loved . . . He provided a remedy.

[Guest shiloh357]

Well, since animals in nature have had homosexual tendencies, I would assume that the answer is yes.

Yes, all creation suffers from the repercussion of the sins of humanity.

Yet, God so loved . . . He provided a remedy.

Animals have been doing that before we had any influence. Its natural.

I see... So if we start eating our children on the grounds that such behavior can be found in the animal world, would that be okay with you?

[~candice~]

as controversial as it is surely the act of homosexuality is not a sin?

i have many homosexual friends who are just as confused about the idea of heterosexuality as i am of their outlook on life, it is something that is inherent to them. everyone i know who is genuinely gay and not just vying for attention has said that they were born that way and have known that as long as they have known love or understood sex. the way i see it God gave us sex to show our love and compassion for the one person in the world that we are meant to be with and if homosexuality on any level is done to express their pure and honest love for someone that God created then this is surely not a sin? is it right to deny 2 people love for each other if they are pure in their intentions? would you condemn someone to a life of lies and missery rather than let them pursue their own life? it has been proved that homosexuality occurs in animals too, therefore if it is a sin to do this, then can animals have free thought and choose to sin? if so does that not lead to the idea that all living things are animals including humans to some degree? the bible would disagree. it is clear to me that it is something that although we cannot understand and is in the minority it is not necessarily wrong, only different.

Friend,

God created man in His image. To say that they were "Born That way" is a lie of satan. Why? Because God is NOT gay!! To make such a claim as being born that way is abhorrent to God and His Lordship and of His creative deity. Please re-read the posts in this thread and you shall see what I am referring to. Even the counter points should be re-read as they provide the basis of the reality of the responses of God word, by those that truly love God and His word.

Wow, how is this thread still active?

Sorry Bill, but I disagree. Some people are born gay, because we are born with a sin nature. Adam was made in the image of God, but that image has been tainted by sin. However, being born with such a sin nature (temptation) doesn't excuse anything. The bible doesn't say... it is a sin, but hey it's fine because you were born that way. We were all born sinners! No sin is excused because we were born with a sin nature.

[BlindSeeker]

Well, since animals in nature have had homosexual tendencies, I would assume that the answer is yes.

Yes, all creation suffers from the repercussion of the sins of humanity.

Yet, God so loved . . . He provided a remedy.

Animals have been doing that before we had any influence. Its natural.

I'm sorry. I really wasn't aware you were there back then. My mistake.

[Guest shiloh357]

Sorry Bill, but I disagree. Some people are born gay, because we are born with a sin nature.

Being born with a sin nature does not mean you are born a rapist, murderer, prostitute or child molester.

Neither does it mean you are born gay. Sins are acts of rebellion. If one is born gay, then it would be outside his/her control and God could not judge you for what you have no control over. God makes no exceptions about it. He calls homosexuallity an abomination and he does not make room for being born with it.

[~candice~]

Sorry Bill, but I disagree. Some people are born gay, because we are born with a sin nature.

Being born with a sin nature does not mean you are born a rapist, murderer, prostitute or child molester.

Neither does it mean you are born gay. Sins are acts of rebellion. If one is born gay, then it would be outside his/her control and God could not judge you for what you have no control over. God makes no exceptions about it. He calls homosexuallity an abomination and he does not make room for being born with it.

I think you might need to reread my post. I am not making any room for it at all. I am merely suggesting that some people are born with this temptation in their sin nature. Of course, it doesn't become an action (sin) until they act on it, which happens after birth.

This might be a semantics issue, sometimes people mean the temptation (orientation) when they say homosexual, sometimes they mean the act.