Head "OF" or head "OVER" .....

[firehill]

Back to the discussion of helpmeet and wives...

[Openly Curious]

'firehill'

Woman was taken from man.

Both were given 'dominion' over what God created after He made them (1:28) and He said that He was going to give it to them before either were made (1:26) as can be seen below:

First off I don't think we are at all off the OP but right on top of it in our discussion and everything I have thus brought forth is all apart of creation.

I just want to say briefly to your comments here that both the man and woman were given certain responsibilites from God to fulfill within their roles or genders that only they can fulfill. Having dominion is to have responsiblilties it is not a place of dominance as is suggested in this thread that the man and woman were given thus making them equal for they will never be equal it is "NOT" possible they are two seperate and distinct creatures under the sun thus cannot be equal. So that is an argument that I see going on in this thread and it is planting bad seeds into men and women's minds that are not true.

God created man and woman an put them together and out of that love they began to multiply and have kids then their kids grew up and got married and went off on their own and their family came about and so on down the line and in the course of that cycle man was put over in this life whatever he had some have more than others but whatever they are over they are thus responsible for it as he is to rule over and to oversee that which is put under his hand and as a woman she is beside of her husband helping him in this life taking care of the kids working a job just whatever bringing his children in the world running her business etc., You see I am on topic of the OP and you can look around and see that men and women have been breaking off from mother and father and creating their own body and being responsible for what the Lord put them over.

OC

[firehill]

'firehill'

Woman was taken from man.

Both were given 'dominion' over what God created after He made them (1:28) and He said that He was going to give it to them before either were made (1:26) as can be seen below:

First off I don't think we are at all off the OP but right on top of it in our discussion and everything I have thus brought forth is all apart of creation.

I didn't mean generaly speaking but in regards to the immediate discussion of helpmeet.

I just want to say briefly to your comments here that both the man and woman were given certain responsibilites from God to fulfill within their roles or genders that only they can fulfill.

I'm listening.

Having dominion is to have responsiblilties it is not a place of dominance as is suggested in this thread that the man and woman were given thus making them equal for they will never be equal it is "NOT" possible they are two seperate and distinct creatures under the sun thus cannot be equal. So that is an argument that I see going on in this thread and it is planting bad seeds into men and women's minds that are not true.

I agree that having 'dominion' is responsibilty not dominace. Before and after their creation though both were given this responsibility according to what Genesis 1:26-28 says which does give them equal footing in this regard. Man and woman are differientiated sexualy therefore distinct and different though equal in their humanity made in God's image. So what's not True about their sexual differientation, (1:27) their equality of humanity in God's image, (1:26 & 27) and there equal responsibility given by God for all the animals before (1:26) and after their creation as written in the bible? (1:28)

oopsMartin:

26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all[a] the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth."

We see that God established two commands about humanity and the only authority God mentions is to command BOTH the man and the woman to be responsible for the earth's creatures ; and to command BOTH the man and the woman to take responsibility to fill the earth with their own kind.

Thanks for the discussion.

[apothanein kerdos]

This thread is nothing more than a Soapbox for OopsMartin. He won't respond to objections, he won't deal with what other people say - he merely re-copies what someone else has said and adds his useless commentary to it.

[apothanein kerdos]

The concept of head as "source" is well documented in both classical and Christian antiquity and has been long accepted by scholars. Some evangelicals, however, have shown a reluctance to deal with the data

[Floatingaxe]

God created women so man wouldn't be alone anymore...and to multiply creation.....not too hard. Husbands are our authority. Our head. And God is theirs

Bingo, and it aint rocket science.

What? So God isn't the direct head of the woman? Fancy that!

In God, my husband and I are one flesh. God is over us both equally as we serve Him together, side by side, just as Adam and Eve were created to do so.

Now that ain't rocket science!

[OopsMartin]

I will respond to a few statements before I go on. But not much as I've a lot to share and little time and energy to do so.

OC wrote: I would agree with this section but would disagree with the assumption that woman was deprived by God and society.

Diodoros and Chrystom (early church fathers) said that women have been deprived by God and society. I agree with you that God has not deprived women but I agree with them that society has always deprived women. This is because of the element of sinful people. During the 400 years of prophetic silence the Pharisees rose up and took over the organization of Israel. They added in many misogynistic rules and an attitude of male superiority (giving themselves special privileges) over women that still infilters the church. I doubt we will ever be rid of it.

OC Wrote: For it is a very blessed thing to be a woman and not a bad thing.

[apothanein kerdos]

The concept of head as "source" is well documented in both classical and Christian antiquity and has been long accepted by scholars. Some evangelicals, however, have shown a reluctance to deal with the data

[Floatingaxe]

Oops, You rock!

[OopsMartin]

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