Immigration Bill a piece of *Garbage*

[dgolvach]

At the end of the day, the immigration reform thats being presented (or something close to it) is about all we can do. We created this problem by turning a blind eye to it 20 to 25 years ago. I voted for Reagan and still would but alot of this was exacerbated under his watch. I'm part of the problem also. Everytime I go a resturant here in Houston and ordered food, I make it more attractive for those who would illegally enter our country. I can afford my house note because it was built with cheap Mexican labor. All homes are here. They do good work by the way. I'm GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY. Am I the only one here? Its mostly our fault. Mexico is not powerful enough to do anything to us that we didn't allow them to do. We have all bennifited in one way or another but in the end it wasn't really the deal we thought. They simply undercut their competition (us)because they can work for far less then us. This has allowed them to corner the market on many services once dominated by our own citizens. Theres only 4 % unemployment we really don't have the number to fill the void at this time. Immigrants from other parts of the world aren't coming here for these low paying jobs.

All we can do now is seal the border and get the ones here into the system so they can pay taxes and begin playing by the rules. . One thing that this bill does that we can't allow, is allowing everyone in their family come in. That may sound mean but the life boat is about to tip. Its just reality.

Honestly, I'm mad at myself for taking this position. I can understand why others here might be irritated with my view. If someone could take down the points I've made, I would be willing to listen.

I want to be wrong.

Dan

[Guest]

our own government more or less allowed this to happen; they turned a blind eye for 20 years and facilitated this.

1942......2007

65 years!

[MorningGlory]

At the end of the day, the immigration reform thats being presented (or something close to it) is about all we can do. We created this problem by turning a blind eye to it 20 to 25 years ago. I voted for Reagan and still would but alot of this was exacerbated under his watch. I'm part of the problem also. Everytime I go a resturant here in Houston and ordered food, I make it more attractive for those who would illegally enter our country. I can afford my house note because it was built with cheap Mexican labor. All homes are here. They do good work by the way. I'm GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY. Am I the only one here? Its mostly our fault. Mexico is not powerful enough to do anything to us that we didn't allow them to do. We have all bennifited in one way or another but in the end it wasn't really the deal we thought. They simply undercut their competition (us)because they can work for far less then us. This has allowed them to corner the market on many services once dominated by our own citizens. Theres only 4 % unemployment we really don't have the number to fill the void at this time. Immigrants from other parts of the world aren't coming here for these low paying jobs.

All we can do now is seal the border and get the ones here into the system so they can pay taxes and begin playing by the rules. . One thing that this bill does that we can't allow, is allowing everyone in their family come in. That may sound mean but the life boat is about to tip. Its just reality.

Honestly, I'm mad at myself for taking this position. I can understand why others here might be irritated with my view. If someone could take down the points I've made, I would be willing to listen.

I want to be wrong.

Dan

You're actually NOT wrong, dgolvach, at least about the fact that the illegals are underbidding Americans and taking jobs. But, when you say 'low paying jobs', I have to counter with this; the average framer in Harris county is making $16.00 per hour. That is not low wages, at least here. I live in Houston too and my houses were also built by Mexican laborers. At the time , I didn't question their legality. I would now. I don't buy that 'there's nothing we can do'. If we can't do anything then we deserve to be invaded and absorbed by a puny, third world country like Mexico.

[dgolvach]

At the end of the day, the immigration reform thats being presented (or something close to it) is about all we can do. We created this problem by turning a blind eye to it 20 to 25 years ago. I voted for Reagan and still would but alot of this was exacerbated under his watch. I'm part of the problem also. Everytime I go a resturant here in Houston and ordered food, I make it more attractive for those who would illegally enter our country. I can afford my house note because it was built with cheap Mexican labor. All homes are here. They do good work by the way. I'm GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY. Am I the only one here? Its mostly our fault. Mexico is not powerful enough to do anything to us that we didn't allow them to do. We have all bennifited in one way or another but in the end it wasn't really the deal we thought. They simply undercut their competition (us)because they can work for far less then us. This has allowed them to corner the market on many services once dominated by our own citizens. Theres only 4 % unemployment we really don't have the number to fill the void at this time. Immigrants from other parts of the world aren't coming here for these low paying jobs.

All we can do now is seal the border and get the ones here into the system so they can pay taxes and begin playing by the rules. . One thing that this bill does that we can't allow, is allowing everyone in their family come in. That may sound mean but the life boat is about to tip. Its just reality.

Honestly, I'm mad at myself for taking this position. I can understand why others here might be irritated with my view. If someone could take down the points I've made, I would be willing to listen.

I want to be wrong.

Dan

You're actually NOT wrong, dgolvach, at least about the fact that the illegals are underbidding Americans and taking jobs. But, when you say 'low paying jobs', I have to counter with this; the average framer in Harris county is making $16.00 per hour. That is not low wages, at least here. I live in Houston too and my houses were also built by Mexican laborers. At the time , I didn't question their legality. I would now. I don't buy that 'there's nothing we can do'. If we can't do anything then we deserve to be invaded and absorbed by a puny, third world country like Mexico.

As I said, I'm willing to listen! Trust me...I don't like what this is doing to our country but I really don't know what the answer is. What can we do thats realistic? I do think we could seal the border in short order but I don't know how you expel all of the illegals without tanking the economy. Trust me, thing will shut down. Lots of things and with 4% unemplyment its not possible to fill the void. Soi whats the plan?

Dan

[kat8585]

If they would just strip out the amnesty, this wouldn't be such a bad bill. But they wouldn't enforce the border security part or the part that fines employers, so what's the point? Thre fence will probably never be built either.

I think the House will come up with a better bill, but, hopefully, no bill will ultimetely pass. We don't need one. Just enforce the laws we already have. Or scrap the bill and start over.

As it is now, it's nothing more than a shamnesty bill.