Who is Barak Obama?

[georgesbluegirl]

Well, obviously I have to agree with most of his positions or like his policy proposals - I thought that went without saying (by the way, I don't know how you got the idea he's anti-gay). His intelligence, candor and what I perceive to be actual interest in the well-being of the nation are the reasons why I feel comfortable with him as an individual beyond his position statements.

And I am right to point out that he's not that far to the left. It's not that shocking. The Democratic party in and of itself is pretty middling left in the scheme of things. Further to the left would be the British Labor party, or at least the party before Tony Blair was PM. No, in the political spectrum, Obama is left, but moderate.

About Levitical law - not going to argue the point because I'm too tired. Even if I take your explanation, my original point still stands, that a radical Christian theocracy could go around killing whores and homosexuals with solid Biblical justification if they so desired.

[TheoMike]

From Slice of Laodicea--

Sen. Barack Obama wouldn’t be pandering to the voting sheeple of evangelicalism, would he? It sure looks that way to me in this report from the Christian Post. This is how liberals who support the slaughter of preborn babies in the womb would love to see Christians spend their time. Forget evangelism, forget defending the most helpless of all human beings, just open soup kitchens and give out clean needles to AIDS infected drug addicts.

Without doubt, the next election will have many evangelicals voting for Obama or Hillary. Obama’s already given them their stock answer when questioned: “No, we don’t agree with him on everything, but we care about creation and poverty and climate change. That’s enough.”

Who cares that Michelle Obama wrote a fund raising letter for her husband in which she vowed to protect the right of women to partial birth abortion. How much hate does it take to have something like partial birth abortion done to your own baby? (Have it partially born, suck the brains out with a hose, crush the skull and discard.) Isn’t that a hate crime? There’s just that small little issue of 45 million dead babies to disagree over. Surely, we can bypass that little matter and move on to protecting the polar bears from the melting ice caps.

Sen. Obama is also the one who obstructed, repeatedly, the passage of a Born Alive Infant Protection Act. Senator Obama’s “compassion” is so great that he wanted to make sure a baby who survives a murder attempt is still killed after being born alive. This monstrous evil was only ended after Obama left the Illinois Senate . ONLY then, were legislators able to pass a bill protecting these babies.

This will not matter to countless evangelicals who are probably the most manipulatable individuals on the planet. By the way, I predict that Hillary will go Purpose Driven very shortly, as well. She doesn’t want to be outdone by Obama who already has a foot in at Saddleback.

Note to Obama: Wouldn’t “good stewards” of God’s creation be especially interested in preserving human babies, made in the image of the Creator?

http://www.sliceoflaodicea.com/?p=349

[TheoMike]

Well, obviously I have to agree with most of his positions or like his policy proposals - I thought that went without saying (by the way, I don't know how you got the idea he's anti-gay). His intelligence, candor and what I perceive to be actual interest in the well-being of the nation are the reasons why I feel comfortable with him as an individual beyond his position statements.

And I am right to point out that he's not that far to the left. It's not that shocking. The Democratic party in and of itself is pretty middling left in the scheme of things. Further to the left would be the British Labor party, or at least the party before Tony Blair was PM. No, in the political spectrum, Obama is left, but moderate.

There was some controversy a while back when he was asked about the morality or immorality of homosexuality and he stumbled all over himself. Prior to that he was a supporter of gay rights.

So, again, I ask, the only qualifications a candidate needs for you to vote for him is a good education, candor and your perceptions of his apparent interest in the well-being of the nation? And your feelings of comfort?

Sorry, I am likely twice your age, I haven't read your profile but I assume you are college age, early 20's, and a liberal is pretty easy to spot. Obama is as far left as you can go. The fact you can't see that is distressing.

[georgesbluegirl]

I am talking about liberalism in the general sense, not just American liberalism, but I say again that even for American liberals Obama is still middling (but a liberal, I'm not arguing that, obviously).

As far as I'm aware, he's still a supporter of gay rights.

Like I said, a candidate's positions and thoughts about issues are the first qualifications I use to decide how I feel about them. The other stuff just means I like him as a character, although I'm definitely voting for "smart" in this coming election.

[forrestkc]

Obama isn't really that far to the left, actually. Anyway, while I think that he's young and sometimes his inexperience shows through, he doesn't strike me as insincere (or at least he's more sincere than any other mainstream politician I can think of...Mike Gravel notwithstanding, haha). This is a man who got himself a good education, then took a low-paying job as a community organizer in Chicago. He joined a Christian church long before he was involved in politics, so I don't see how one can point to his faith as insincere. He's smart - and God, we need smart (yes that is a prayer) - and he knows how to speak. Have your doubts, but I find him passionate and driven. And I support him.

Yes he is, actually. The only issue he has in common with the Christian population is his opposition to the gay agenda.

But I wanted to ask, are those the qualifications of someone you would vote for: someone who is smart, knows how to speak and passionate?

Yes, I think intelligence and being able to string a coherent sentence together unscripted should be a qualification for anyone wishing to hold the job of President of the United States.

That was just a joke of course. However, I disagree with your statement that Obama has little in common with the Christian population. To make such a statement, one would have to assume that the Christian population only concerns itself with the abortion issue and gay marriage. That is simply not the case though. For example I remember a few years ago reading an article where the Democratic Platform was 80% in line with the Catholic Social Agenda. In fact, the only areas they differed was on the Abortion Issue at the time, and some Democrats support for the death penalty. Most Christians are very concerned with issues of peace, justice, conservation, and poverty. They find a great deal more in common on those issues with liberals than conservatives.

I think sometimes its easy to assume that all Christians share the same world view that the Christians we encounter in our local congregations share. That is not the case though. Christians are all over the board on issues just like everyone else is. The religious right represents a minority of Christians in America. In fact, no one group of Christians in America represent a majority of Christians. There are lots of Catholics and Mainline Protestants that differ greatly with the worldview of much of the religious right.

[forrestkc]

. Obama is as far left as you can go. The fact you can't see that is distressing.

No, you are just so far to the right that anyone left of Reagan looks like a commie to you.

Kucinich, Nader, those guys are leftists. Of course, one can even go further left than them. They are liberals in the true sense of the term. Obama is moderately left of center. You can look at his voting record and positions graphed out here: http://www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm

[undone]

I've heard it said the a liberal is in fact a conservative who simply hasn't had anything stolen from him yet.

[Treasure]

I've heard it said the a liberal is in fact a conservative who simply hasn't had anything stolen from him yet.

[kat8585]

Obama is moderately left of center. You can look at his voting record and positions graphed out here: http://www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm

I checked out your link. He sounds a lot more than "moderately left of center", he sounds leftist to me. Like the other liberals.

[MorningGlory]

Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57:

Narrated 'Ikrima:

That is the haddith, a book they take very seriously, almost as much as the quran. It shows them how to live.

Yes, that is one of the Hadiths, a collection of traditions that Muslims believe were originally spoken by their (alleged) prophet Mohamed.