In the beginning........

[hupo]

I propose that God is everything, including darkness.

When God is everything, there is nothing else and the meaning of light and darkness has no meaning.

Yet it is written plainly in God's own book!!

Sorry hupo, but that is unscriptural. God is not everything and I fail to see where you get that from Scriptures. God is transcendent and separate from creation. God is the Creator, not the creation.

Furthermore, the Bible says that "God is light and in Him, is no darkness at all. (1 John 1:5)

I didn't say it was scriptural but neither did God give us a mind to just use as a paperweight

So when I propose something, it is putting up something that can be shot down and proved otherwise (or not).

That is as far as using non scriptural ideas

As for the proposition itself.....

There is something that baffles me... God is omnipresent, and maybe I'm mistaken but it seems that "omnipresent" means.....

Omnipresence is the ability to be present in every place at any, and/or every, time; unbounded or universal presence. It is related to the concept of ubiquity, the ability to be everywhere at a certain point in time

omnipresent \om-nuh-PREZ-uhnt\, adjective:

Present in all places at the same time; ubiquitous.

Main Entry: om

[nebula]

So the question "am I a Pantheist?" can be answered very easily.

Hey -

I wasn't trying to say you were a Pantheist. I was, however, pointing out that the line of thinking you were proposing is a Pantheistic expression of faith.

[nebula]

As for the proposition itself.....

There is something that baffles me... God is omnipresent, and maybe I'm mistaken but it seems that "omnipresent" means.....

Omnipresence is the ability to be present in every place at any, and/or every, time; unbounded or universal presence. It is related to the concept of ubiquity, the ability to be everywhere at a certain point in time

How about we take this from the beginning -

Does the Bible say, "God is omnipresent"? Does it specifically state, "God is everywhere?"

[nebula]

So my question is, if God is everywhere, how can there be anything else except God?

Next question:

How does "everywhere" come to mean "everything" in your line of thinking?

[hupo]

So the question "am I a Pantheist?" can be answered very easily.

Hey -

I wasn't trying to say you were a Pantheist. I was, however, pointing out that the line of thinking you were proposing is a Pantheistic expression of faith.

Sorry Nebula, I didn't intend to blame you for anything, in fact I'm glad you pointed these question out. I like to tackle my own faith where I can, it seems to strengthen it. I took it as a challange because you made some good points that I need clearing up in my walk with God.

So thanks again for this and for the next few posts I haven't yet got to

Blessings and thanks

[Guest shiloh357]

I didn't say it was scriptural but neither did God give us a mind to just use as a paperweight

By claiming, "Yet it is written plainly in God's own book!!" you are claiming it to be scriptural truth, or based on the Bible, which it it not.

So my question is, if God is everywhere, how can there be anything else except God?

The notion that God is everywhere is not the same thing as saying that God inhabits every molecule of matter. The concept of omnipresence is expresses the fact that God can be in all places on earth and the created universe at once given the the fact that God is noncorpreal, meaning He has no physical body. All references to God having eyes, ears, arms, etc. are anthroporphisms and are used metaphorically to help us as finite beings, relate to an infinite God.

To say that God is everything means that the entire physical universe would be God. And yes, that would be pantheistic. It appears that you need to have a little more grounding in the basic doctrines of the Chrisian faith. I am not meaning that as a put down. It is simply that you do not appear to have much doctrinal structure in your approach.

If something is apart from God, it is NOT God and there for God is not truly everywhere.

Precisely. All of creation is shown to us in Scripture as being separate from God, not a part of Him. Therefore, God is unique and He is sanctified apart from creation. God is above and outside of His created universe.

[hupo]

As for the proposition itself.....

There is something that baffles me... God is omnipresent, and maybe I'm mistaken but it seems that "omnipresent" means.....

Omnipresence is the ability to be present in every place at any, and/or every, time; unbounded or universal presence. It is related to the concept of ubiquity, the ability to be everywhere at a certain point in time

How about we take this from the beginning -

Does the Bible say, "God is omnipresent"? Does it specifically state, "God is everywhere?"

Fair enough, lets see...........

Psa 139:7 Where shall I go from your Spirit? Or where shall I flee from your presence?

Psa 139:8 If I ascend to heaven, you are there! If I make my bed in Sheol, you are there!

Psa 139:9 If I take the wings of the morning and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea,

Psa 139:10 even there your hand shall lead me, and your right hand shall hold me.

Psa 139:11 If I say, "Surely the darkness shall cover me, and the light about me be night,"

Psa 139:12 even the darkness is not dark to you; the night is bright as the day, for darkness is as light with you.

Jer 23:23 "Am I a God at hand, declares the LORD, and not a God afar off?

Jer 23:24 Can a man hide himself in secret places so that I cannot see him? declares the LORD. Do I not fill heaven and earth? declares the LORD.

Act 17:28 for "'In him we live and move and have our being'; as even some of your own poets have said, "'For we are indeed his offspring.'

I would conclude that even if I'm wrong, there is enough here to ask the question about God's Omnipresence.

It does not use the word omnipresent and everywhere, to be sure , but then the Bible doesn't have the word "Bible" in it either, nor is the name of God mentioned anywhere in the book of Ester......

The name of Yeshua appears nowhere in the OT, but we can "see" and "hear" him there all the same....

So I would say, yes, scripture does imply that God is everywhere

I would go further and say that God is very personal for me. Whether He is everywhere or not makes no difference to my faith in him, but it does do much for my understanding how we, human beings, see God. It actualy amazes me how we can think so differently and still believe in the same One God!

I must emphasize once again that whatever I say, think write or otherwise express here, has absolutely NO IMPACT on the Truth.

And for this reason I can allow myself to check things out here in the forum without throwing a spanner in God's plans

Whatever I come up with, God can deal with it

Blessings

[hupo]

So my question is, if God is everywhere, how can there be anything else except God?

Next question:

How does "everywhere" come to mean "everything" in your line of thinking?

Well everywhere means every bit of space as we know it, it means every place that can have anything in it.

If God being omnipresent and is everywhere, he naturally takes up all the space there is. There is no space for anything else and therefore there is no space for anything. So whatever is in existance must be God. Which means everything.

Hope I didn't make things too confusing

Blessings

[Guest shiloh357]

So my question is, if God is everywhere, how can there be anything else except God?

Next question:

How does "everywhere" come to mean "everything" in your line of thinking?

Well everywhere means every bit of space as we know it, it means every place that can have anything in it.

If God being omnipresent and is everywhere, he naturally takes up all the space there is. There is no space for anything else and therefore there is no space for anything. So whatever is in existance must be God. Which means everything.

Hope I didn't make things too confusing

Blessings

Again, that is not in line with how the Bible reflects the presence of God. You are entering a very dangerous area of false teaching and false doctrine, with all due respect. You are imposing a definition on "everywhere" that is not consistent with the biblical view of God's omnipresence.

So whatever is in existance must be God. Which means everything.

Again, this IS pantheism. It is apparent that you need further instruction from a competent pastor or bible teacher where you live.

[Massorite]

Ha! Ha! Ha! He! He! He! Good question. I wouldn't even think about an answer for that one.