Women pastors

[OopsMartin]

Also did the church ever have an official position on slavery?

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I believe the Baptist official position was that slavery was Scripturally acceptable. We argued with a barrage of Scriptures (taken out of context I will acknowledge) as our defense. As a Baptist I can say that throughout history Baptists have almost always been on the wrong side of important issues. Baptists fought in the war FOR slavery. Now we barely acknowledge that the denomination was involved or wrong.

In fact the way that it was argued, Baptists could easily put up a strong argument for polygamy if our leaders were so inclined.

[Vickilynn]

I was not aware that sound teaching of God's Word was a "competition".

Is it easilyrealized how ridiculous this sounds? Yeah, the IC debating over who gets to teach God's word. Embarrasing.

That made me smile. How strange Christians must look to non Christians over this topic.

Reminds me of the extreme Muslim practices of women living their lives through a mesh window in the blanket they have to wear over their whole body. Did you know that faction doesn't let their women work, so if a woman (including mothers with children) are kicked out or their husband dies, they are reduced to begging as their only means of support.

Shalom Oops,

Of course Christians look strange to non-Christians. They don't understand the Bible or the need to crucify the flesh to obey it.

Also, as sad as the Muslim women's plight is, what exactly does this have to do with anything relating to women pastors?

[WayneB]

Shalom BJ,

I see that you are new to Worthy. Welcome!!

I also see that you started out questioning and denigrating the board for not discussing this topic, when in fact we do, as you can see.

I also see that you have quite the agenda for this thread and it really has nothing to do with women pastors.

I also see that you like to toss the word "whore" around quite freely and that, as you know is quite an offensive word and used mostly for shock value.

I would ask that you consider those readers here who are young and make your point with less shock value and more substantial Scripture supporting your point. Thank you.

I agree. Well spoken Vickilynn.

Brother John, this is a public discussion board read by many including young and old alike. Please be less graphic in your choice of words. Although you may be making some good points, you lose ground in your arguement by offending. Maybe that is why your threads have been shut down on other discussion boards? Please review our Terms of Service and ensure your choice of words do not offend and are suitable for all ages. As a moderator, we are committed to ensuring and enforcing a safe and healthy fellowship for everyone.

I hope you receive this in the spirit it is intended.

May the Lord Bless you richly,

wayne, your servant

[Scarletprayers]

I was not aware that sound teaching of God's Word was a "competition".

Is it easilyrealized how ridiculous this sounds? Yeah, the IC debating over who gets to teach God's word. Embarrasing.

That made me smile. How strange Christians must look to non Christians over this topic.

Reminds me of the extreme Muslim practices of women living their lives through a mesh window in the blanket they have to wear over their whole body. Did you know that faction doesn't let their women work, so if a woman (including mothers with children) are kicked out or their husband dies, they are reduced to begging as their only means of support.

Wow............what a stretch----------------- apples to apples at least please.

[OopsMartin]

I'm sorry, I thought I was clear. The sin the men are committing is whoredom. They are lusting after each others young daughters, viewing pornography, committing fornication. Believe it or not, it is almost as bad amongst Christian men as it is amongst unbelievers. This opens the door for the spirit of Jezebel to invade the church. I am quite certain that these sins are directly related and reinforce one another. Are women greater sinners than men? Hahaha, of course not! But they do have different weaknesses. Men are tempted by whores and sexual impurity. Women are tempted to usurp authority over men. Women are also tempted to gain power over men by dressing as whores. All of these things have invaded the Church and it is my belief that they are all related to one another.

Oh Goody. Generalizing again, lumping everyone together and throwing them all into the same basket.

Unless you have some kind of x-ray vision, you cannot say that Christian men have almost as big a problem with pornography as unbelievers. It's a comparison you really can't make.

Just reading through your posts in this thread so far, I'd say you have a major problem with women in general, otherwise you wouldn't throw the "W" bomb around so much. Not really classy behavior there.

Unfortunately, brotherJohn does have a point regarding pornography. In men's meetings you would be amazed that when that subject is discussed there is a very high percentage of Christian men that suffer with it. Why wouldn't we, considering the encouragements in our modern world.

I think his thought that these elements are all related to one another deserves some considertion.

[BrotherJohnf]

Shalom BJ,

I see that you are new to Worthy. Welcome!!

I also see that you started out questioning and denigrating the board for not discussing this topic, when in fact we do, as you can see.

I also see that you have quite the agenda for this thread and it really has nothing to do with women pastors.

I also see that you like to toss the word "whore" around quite freely and that, as you know is quite an offensive word and used mostly for shock value.

I would ask that you consider those readers here who are young and make your point with less shock value and more substantial Scripture supporting your point. Thank you.

[methinkshe]

Let us not censor the Bible, though, because harlots and harlotry are frequently mentioned. Proverbs is full of such references! And poor old Hosea was commanded by God to marry one! If the modern transliteration of harlot is whore, should we really take offence and cover children's eyes from reading the Bible? And if the modern transliteration of harlot is not whore, please could someone better versed in Hebrew give me a more accurate understanding? Would "prostitute" be more acceptable, for instance?

Thank you,

In Jesus,

Ruth

NB. This post was written in reply to Wayne B but because the topic has moved on, it is not apparent.

[Vickilynn]

I was not denigrating the board. I was just pointing out that all of the threads on this topic had been closed and there was nowhere to discuss the issue. I was wondering aloud as to whether this was censorship or something else.

Shalom BJ,

Please go back and re-read your OP. To "wonder aloud" if you were being censored here was assuming the worst about the motives of this board. You said you might have to leave to find one that suits you better.

I find it hard to believe that people cannot discuss this issue in a civil manner and have a strong suspicion that the spirit of rebellion that I am referring to is not unrelated to the ability of some to control their anger.

Ahhh, here you go aagain NOT denigrating this board! Right. The spirit of rebellion is a compliment.

If Christians cannot have a civil disagreement about what certain verses mean then we may have gone further down this road than I'd imagined. As I've said before I think the issue of w*****] in the Church is directly related to the rebellion of women by usurping authority, and I think I've demonstrated the connection. Does the word w*** offend you? God uses it more than 65 times in the Bible, many of those times it is him speaking directly. Have not our children become w*** and w*****? Have you been to any "christian" pages on myspace or any of the other places young people gather lately? Have you seen how young women dress themselves lately even in the Church! I'm offended nearly everytime I walk in to one of those churches and it vexes my soul. Yet you are offended by God's frequent use of the term w***. I am perplexed...

Please READ what I wrote and you won't be perplexed. I did not say I was offended, I said the word itself is offensive, especially to young readers. It is culturally offensive and it is well-known. You use it WAAAAY too much BTW.

I don't want my children on here reading your profanity, for that's what it is.

As I said, you could be considerate enough to temper your delivery (while not sacrificing your point) for those younger readers on this message board. Maybe you might understand better if you read the board's TOS (Terms of Service).

Thank you.

[Vickilynn]

Let us not censor the Bible, though, because harlots and harlotry are frequently mentioned. Proverbs is full of such references! And poor old Hosea was commanded by God to marry one! If the modern transliteration of harlot is whore, should we really take offence and cover children's eyes from reading the Bible? And if the modern transliteration of harlot is not whore, please could someone better versed in Hebrew give me a more accurate understanding? Would "prostitute" be more acceptable, for instance?

Thank you,

In Jesus,

Ruth

NB. This post was written in reply to Wayne B but because the topic has moved on, it is not apparent.

Shalom Ruth,

NO one is censoring the Bible. MY Bible doesn't use the "w" word. And BTW, the "w" word is a culturally offensive word. There are other words to indicate the meaning that are not so offensive, especially to young readers. This should be a consideration of all posters.

[methinkshe]

Let us not censor the Bible, though, because harlots and harlotry are frequently mentioned. Proverbs is full of such references! And poor old Hosea was commanded by God to marry one! If the modern transliteration of harlot is whore, should we really take offence and cover children's eyes from reading the Bible? And if the modern transliteration of harlot is not whore, please could someone better versed in Hebrew give me a more accurate understanding? Would "prostitute" be more acceptable, for instance?

Thank you,

In Jesus,

Ruth

NB. This post was written in reply to Wayne B but because the topic has moved on, it is not apparent.

Shalom Ruth,

NO one is censoring the Bible. MY Bible doesn't use the "w" word. And BTW, the "w" word is a culturally offensive word. There are other words to indicate the meaning that are not so offensive, especially to young readers. This should be a consideration of all posters.

I fully understand that, Vicki, which is why I asked if someone had a better modern transliteration of the word "harlot" which is so frequently used in the Bible. Is "prostitute" for instance, more culturally acceptable?

Ruth