Are we digging to deep?

[Scarletprayers]

The truth is, there's a lot that psychologists don't understand about the supernatural and its connection with the human brain (those that even acknowledge the supernatural in the first place). There's also a lot we Christians don't understand.

I'm quite fascinated by the study of psychology and psycholoogical conditions...I think any Christian who gets into these studies can take a reasonable approach to them and acknowledge that there IS a connection, and sometimes, yes, spiritual attack does manifest itself in what appears to be a psychological condition, but that our bodies themselves are also fragile things that sometimes end up with chemical imbalances and the like.

[Iryssa]

*laugh* I just noticed I made a funny typo..."psycholoogical"...um, yeah...I meant "psychological"

[senerhu]

PSYCHOLOGY

are we digging to deep into our own minds?

do you think god wanted us to be going so far into ourselves? if so why is there never a conclusion?

people may see a psychiatrist but there is never a cure only discussion? or medication but thats not a cure!!!!

does anyone else think its too dangerous to open a human mind?

Depends on what you mean by opening a human mind. If you're talking about a psychiatrist that puts a patient under hypnosis, that's opening up yourself to satan himself... Like another poster said, I don't think about it. I wouldn't recommend that anyone see a shrink. From what I've heard, most of them just want to get inside your head and try to put a label on you that probably isn't accurate to begin with...

[Kidtek]

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Ec 1:17 And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit.

Ec 2:12 And I turned myself to behold wisdom, and madness, and folly: for what can the man do that cometh after the king? even that which hath been already done.

Ec 7:25 I applied mine heart to know, and to search, and to seek out wisdom, and the reason of things, and to know the wickedness of folly, even of foolishness and madness:

Ec 9:3 This is an evil among all things that are done under the sun, that there is one event unto all: yea, also the heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness is in their heart while they live, and after that they go to the dead.

The above reference "heart" and "spirit" conditions.

In His Love,

Suzanne

The first truth one must realize is that the body is not distinct from the soul. Because the body has the senses that feed the soul. I think there are 5 senses touch, smell, sight, taste, sound.

A mental condition is not of the body but of the soul unless the senses of the body are restrained either by chemical or physical failure a mental condition is of the soul.

That is what makes humans different from animals. Our ability to reason using our senses. That is why we cannot prosecute those that cannot make rational decisions within our courts.

Jesus cast out a legion of devils that controlled the mind of a man.

Luke 8:35 Then they went out to see what was done; and came to Jesus, and found the man, out of whom the devils were departed, sitting at the feet of Jesus, clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.

Notice that the man is now "In his right mind".

So mental illness can be of the body caused by the senses or can be a direct result of possession.

There are other aspects that should be considered also. Some humans like to folly and rake havoc on other humans for personal pleasure. That is what we call just plain old everyday evil people.

[None]

I think that the traditional Freudian approach to psychology is almost dangerous in its stupidity.

Freud was one of the biggest scam artists of the time and caused so many dollars to be wasted on researching meaningless rubbish and so many people to get stressed by believing the weirdest theories, agonising about them, ignoring other people because they became entirely self-centred, and wasting many hours trying to reconcile Freud's theories with their own lives.

These ideas also caused a lot of money to be squandered on a lot of people who were convinced they were superior to others and sat back in luxury while writing papers that would ruin peoples' lives.

However, I also believe that there is definitely a place for good Christian psychiatric counselling in society and there is definitely a place for psychiatric drugs. I just think we have to be so careful where children are concerned and make sure that children are not overprescribed antidepressants and tranquilisers, as seems to be the trend today.

Various forms of antidepressents and anti-psychosis drugs have done wonders for adults though. But for proper counselling, I think that Christ is practically an essential ingredient. We are all weak psychologically and we can't really achieve much without Christ helping us.

[Treasure]

Everyone keeps talking about "the OP". Can someone clue me in?

It stands for "Original Poster", it's referring to the person who started the topic.

(Off the subject)

But, have you ever noticed that there is NO reference to mental illness in the Scriptures?

In His Love,

Suzanne

You are wrong the scriptures are full of information on mental illness.

Deu 28:28 The LORD shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart:

Ecc 1:17 And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit. (**My favorite**)

Ecc 2:12 And I turned myself to behold wisdom, and madness, and folly: for what [can] the man [do] that cometh after the king? [even] that which hath been already done.

Ecc 7:25 I applied mine heart to know, and to search, and to seek out wisdom, and the reason [of things], and to know the wickedness of folly, even of foolishness [and] madness:

Ecc 9:3 This [is] an evil among all [things] that are done under the sun, that [there is] one event unto all: yea, also the heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness [is] in their heart while they live, and after that [they go] to the dead.

Ecc 10:13 The beginning of the words of his mouth [is] foolishness: and the end of his talk [is] mischievous madness.

Zec 12:4 In that day, saith the LORD, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness.

Luk 6:11 And they were filled with madness; and communed one with another what they might do to Jesus.

2Pe 2:16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.

Yes, but it is not referenced as an "illness", as it is today. It looks to me in regard to how it is referenced in Scriptures, to be the outward manifestations of a "spiritual" condition, rather than an illness.

If you look at the reference in the above Ecc. 9:3, it is a reference of a heart condition, rather than an illness.

Actually in my above post, what I meant was, that in the NT, there is no reference to Jesus healing anyone with a mental illness. He healed spiritual conditions, but not mental illness.

In His Love,

Suzanne

tyvm tsth. I don't think I ever would've figured that one out.

[MeCajunboy]

PSYCHOLOGY

are we digging to deep into our own minds?

do you think god wanted us to be going so far into ourselves? if so why is there never a conclusion?

people may see a psychiatrist but there is never a cure only discussion? or medication but thats not a cure!!!!

does anyone else think its too dangerous to open a human mind?

Cajunboy:::No ma'am

I believe if you have a very good Psychiatrist who knows his/her job and the people he/she is working with, they can do much good works with some, though not all! Some of us are so messed up with all that life has thrown at us, that sometimes it may take a professional who has a good system or technique and is good with patients to pull real problems out of one that the average person might miss. Many of our problems stem from early childhood rearing or events that happened to us at a very early age that only a professional knows how to bring out of a person who might be holding back. Yet, once the basic problem is revealed and not until then can the healing begin.. Just my thoughts!

[eric]

From Senerhu,

Depends on what you mean by opening a human mind. If you're talking about a psychiatrist that puts a patient under hypnosis, that's opening up yourself to satan himself... Like another poster said, I don't think about it. I wouldn't recommend that anyone see a shrink. From what I've heard, most of them just want to get inside your head and try to put a label on you that probably isn't accurate to begin with...

Absolutely right. Shrinks are definitely a nono, for me.

[Iryssa]

Like another poster said, I don't think about it. I wouldn't recommend that anyone see a shrink. From what I've heard, most of them just want to get inside your head and try to put a label on you that probably isn't accurate to begin with...

I don't think it's right to lump all psychiatrists into the same boat like that. There are some hacks out there, to be sure, but there are also some who genuinely desire to help and do everything they can for their patients. I don't recommend anyone just flip open the yellow pages and take the first psychiatrist they see...research, research, research! Get recommendations, read their policies, etc. etc. etc. Of course, any Christian receiving counselling should be seeing a (reputable, researched) Christian counsellor, if you ask me, because Christianity is so much a factor in our lives.

[Kidtek]

Like another poster said, I don't think about it. I wouldn't recommend that anyone see a shrink. From what I've heard, most of them just want to get inside your head and try to put a label on you that probably isn't accurate to begin with...

I don't think it's right to lump all psychiatrists into the same boat like that. There are some hacks out there, to be sure, but there are also some who genuinely desire to help and do everything they can for their patients. I don't recommend anyone just flip open the yellow pages and take the first psychiatrist they see...research, research, research! Get recommendations, read their policies, etc. etc. etc. Of course, any Christian receiving counselling should be seeing a (reputable, researched) Christian counsellor, if you ask me, because Christianity is so much a factor in our lives.

I don't think one should lump that decision into a conclusive Christian arena. If we were discussing surgery I would shiver to think that we would limit ourselves to only consider a Christian person to perform surgery where there are others that are more qualified to perform the job.

I see little difference in a person that performs brain surgery and a person that attempts to repair mental illness. Both require skill and training.

I know of some Christian so called leaders that could use some heavy refresher courses in their carrier fields and I would shiver to think that someone would approach them seeking mental help.