Slave To Righteousness

[Guest shiloh357]

Shiloh, It's just that you wear me out. I don't post Scriptures to begin a massive surgery on them....because to me, they say what they say. It's NOT as difficult as you seem to make it(reading the Words of God).

It is not a matter of doing "surgery." You pepper us with verses and offer NOTHING that allows us to see where you are going in those verses. I am not asking you to do a complete doctrinal analysis, but some commentary and discussion would be helpful. Yes, they say what they say, but my point is, not all of them say what you are attributing to them, and I proved it when I demonstrated three separate lines of thought in the three verses from Romans. To act as if disagreeing you with you is equvalvent to disagreeing with the Bible comes off as pretty arrogant, to be honest. My issue is with your handling of the Scriptures, not your core message.

And to say you agree with the instruction on righteousness AND THEN to constantly tear apart someone who's heart wants to encourage others to take hold of the power and righteousness of Christ, is so disheartening.

That is not what I am doing. I am simply taking issue with how you are handling the Scriptures.

You want to just throw out some verses and expect us to see what you see. If you are so bent on "encouraging others" as you say, you would take the time to teach, you would answer questions put to you instead of acting like people who can't see what you see are obviously not as spiritually minded as you are. You seem to be oblivious to how arrogant your approach comes off. You do not come off as someone trying to "encourage others," and even if that is your true motive, you are not very good at accomplishing it. All you have succeeded in doing is frustrating those whose questions, heretofore, continue to remain unanswered and basically ignored by you. Perhaps when you choose to engage those questions, you might have some credibility when you claim you are only here to "encourage others."

Do you agree in Christians walking in righteousness? If so, then help to support, but please, please don't damage the whole testimony, in order to show how much better you believe you have studied. If the Scriptures could not be read and understood with regard to the meaning of "righteousness" then I guess we all need to go back to the days of the priests ONLY being able to read the Word, and the people being without It.

Of course I believe in Christians walking righteousness.

What message do you think you are presenting though? Simply stringing verses together does not constitute a coherent forumlated message. Sure, it is obvious to you, but if you truly have a message to give, the onus is on you to provide it in a clear manner. Simply stringing Bible verses together, does not qualify. You are responsible for not only presenting the Scriptures, but to explain and comment how the Scriptures you present bring you to your conclusions and what the message is.

In conclusion, can't you admit that believers need to walk in the righteousness of Christ? And encourage others in this message, rather than strengthening those who rebel against it?

Really, and exactly who here is rebelling against this message of yours? Who in this thread is against Christians walking in righteousness? Who in this thread am I stengthening in their rebellion against your message? Once again, just stringing verses together does not qualify as a "message."

[tsth]

But the Scriptures don't NEED (my) commentary. They are sufficient all by themselves. This is what I don't understand? Why do you think that the Word of God needs my explanation? Is it too difficult? I don't believe so. I think that they mean just what they say. I also believe that you do not have to be a scholar to read and understand God's Word. Do you believe that some of the posters on this board are not able to read the Word and receive it, exactly as it is written? Or, must they be a scholar?

I personally do not. I just love the POWER of God's Word, to accomplish His Will, and I DON'T believe He needs me to explain It. His Holy Spirit is effective and powerful, and for those who want to read the passages I post, without contention and a call to argue, that's wonderful, because frankly, it's not about me OR my opinions. It's only about God's Word, and if they are received without a college degree in theology, this is most likely what was meant. If not, then so be it. But, I don't post to argue. But to look into God's Word, just as it is written. I don't think there's any question about the meaning of righteousness, is there? So, why continue to argue over it?

I am sorry that some of you want me to provide commentary on my postings, but I am not lead to do so many times, because I feel that the Word of God is ALL that is necessary. It does not return void. I am not sure why this would be considered offensive?

In His Love,

Suzanne

[st. Worm]

But the Scriptures don't NEED (my) commentary. They are sufficient all by themselves. This is what I don't understand? Why do you think that the Word of God needs my explanation? Is it too difficult? I don't believe so. I think that they mean just what they say. I also believe that you do not have to be a scholar to read and understand God's Word. Do you believe that some of the posters on this board are not able to read the Word and receive it, exactly as it is written? Or, must they be a scholar?

I personally do not. I just love the POWER of God's Word, to accomplish His Will, and I DON'T believe He needs me to explain It. His Holy Spirit is effective and powerful, and for those who want to read the passages I post, without contention and a call to argue, that's wonderful, because frankly, it's not about me OR my opinions. It's only about God's Word, and if they are received without a college degree in theology, this is most likely what was meant. If not, then so be it. But, I don't post to argue. But to look into God's Word, just as it is written. I don't think there's any question about the meaning of righteousness, is there? So, why continue to argue over it?

I am sorry that some of you want me to provide commentary on my postings, but I am not lead to do so many times, because I feel that the Word of God is ALL that is necessary. It does not return void. I am not sure why this would be considered offensive?

In His Love,

Suzanne

Fundamentalism gone wild. Where do you get that no one ever needs God's Word to be explained? There is no basis for this statement. If it were true we would need no teachers, preachers or elders and the Bible clearly says we do need them. Also even any baby Christian knows that merely pulling random verses out of the Bible with no context or explanation can lead one to all kinds of strange conclusions. That is how so many strange sects are started within Christianity. As I said before if we did nothing on here but trade Bible verses the board would melt down in a matter of hours if not minutes.

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[Guest Biblicist]

Baby food can be eaten with a spoon.

Steak needs to be cut up with a sharp knife and chewed throughly.

[Guest shiloh357]

But the Scriptures don't NEED (my) commentary. They are sufficient all by themselves. This is what I don't understand? Why do you think that the Word of God needs my explanation? Is it too difficult? I don't believe so. I think that they mean just what they say. I also believe that you do not have to be a scholar to read and understand God's Word. Do you believe that some of the posters on this board are not able to read the Word and receive it, exactly as it is written? Or, must they be a scholar?

It is not about being a scholar, Suzanne. That is completely overstating the issue. The issue is you're lacking the common courtesy to answer direct questions put to you and then posting long lists of verses under the impression that you are presenting a "message." It is matter of getting to clarify what we may or may not understand. Just presenting Scriptures with nothing else does not present a message. Yes, it may be obvious to you what you are trying to say, but it isn't to everyone else.

I realize you think your approach is more spiritual, but it isn't. It is confusing as you do not present anything coherent. You post a bunch of verses, most of which are not even addressing the issue you have assigned to them and you refuse to talk about them. All that does is engender confusion and Holy Spirit is not author of confusion.

It is not that the Word of God needs your explanation. It is WE who need your explanation. You post a bunch of verses that you think address the issue you want to deal with, and the rest of us are having trouble seeing how you think that list of verses speaks to the issue you are trying "encourage" us in.

After Jesus' resurrection on the road to Emmaus, He met two of his disciples and eventually opened up the Scriptures and began to explain to them beginning at Moses everything the Bible had said about the Messiah. He explained it to them. He didn't just quote a bunch of verses a them and expect them to pick up on what they should have. He took a long time to reveal what the Scriptures meant.

Even before His resurrection, Jesus was a teacher. Do you operate from a higher standard than Jesus did? If Jesus thought teaching was necessary how can you say it isn't? If the Lord saw fit to grace the Church with pastors and teachers to guide the flock, where do you find thescriptural basis to claim that all we need is the Bible?

The Scriptures which you say are sufficient without any human teachers, is the same Scriptures that say we have been given teachers to teach us. How ironic.

[tsth]

1 Peter 3:10 For, "Whoever would love life and see good days must keep his tongue from evil and his lips from deceitful speech. 11 He must turn from evil and do good; he must seek peace and pursue it. 12 For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous and his ears are attentive to their prayer, but the face of the Lord is against those who do evil."

2 Peter 1:2 Grace and peace be yours in abundance through the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord. 3 His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. 4 Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

5 For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; 6 and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; 7 and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love. 8 For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 But if anyone does not have them, he is nearsighted and blind, and has forgotten that he has been cleansed from his past sins. 10 Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall, 11 and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

In His Love,

Suzanne

[Fiosh]

I hear banjos.

[tsth]

You seem to think that I would be offended by the sharing of God's Word. It is NEVER an offense....although if one is using it to be destructive, that would be answerable to God, not me.

To glorify God's Word is a right offering to God.

In His Love,

Suzanne

[Jedi4Yahweh]

You seem to think that I would be offended by the sharing of God's Word. It is NEVER an offense....although if one is using it to be destructive, that would be answerable to God, not me.

To glorify God's Word is a right offering to God.

In His Love,

Suzanne

Amen....nothing wrong with using scripture to back up what your saying. This should not be offensive to believers but encouraged. I could see a nonbeliever getting offended because they do not regard scriptures, but a believer should not.

[Guest shiloh357]

You seem to think that I would be offended by the sharing of God's Word. It is NEVER an offense....although if one is using it to be destructive, that would be answerable to God, not me.

To glorify God's Word is a right offering to God.

In His Love,

Suzanne

Youare not sharing God's word, though. You are just quoting a bunch of verses and we just supposed pull your "message" out of the air. That is not glorifying God's word at all.