Slave To Righteousness

[tsth]

Dear Shiloh,

I can't figure out, why in the world, my postings bother you so much?

Since I began this thread, (If it's alright with you), I'll continue to post Scriptures if I am so lead. If it bothers you, by all means, please don't read my posts. But really, please stop picking a fight with me. It is not nice.

In His Love,

Suzanne

[Guest shiloh357]

Dear Shiloh,

I can't figure out, why in the world, my postings bother you so much?

Since I began this thread, (If it's alright with you), I'll continue to post Scriptures if I am so lead. If it bothers you, by all means, please don't read my posts. But really, please stop picking a fight with me. It is not nice.

In His Love,

Suzanne

My problem is the aloof and spiritually superior attitude with you treat people who were trying understand you, and trying to get you to dialogue with them. You claim to have a "message" you claim that you are trying to "encourage" but you come off differently, and every attempt to get you to dialogue is met with more aloofness.

Furthermore, you post Scriptures that don't even address the alleged issue you claim to be addressing.

The problems and misunderstandings stem from your unwililngness to even extend the most common courtesy of answering questions put to you and your reluctance to communicate.

I am not picking a fight. I am simply correcting both the lack of Christlikeness in how you have treated others on this thread and the manner in which you incorrectly relate the Scriptures to the issue of righteousness. I have not been mean or harsh with you. I have not mistreated you in any fashion.

I am simply operating from a level of honesty that you are unwilling to face up to.

[Emily~Anne]

Shiloh, is it possible you have failed to assume the best of Tsth's intentions?

[Guest shiloh357]

Shiloh, is it possible you have failed to assume the best of Tsth's intentions?

I am not questioning her intentions. I am challenging the wrongness of her methodology. She has stated some questionable things, and people on this and another thread have tried to get her to clarify her position but it is like trying to get blood from a stone. She responds with evasiveness.

[DarkNebulaWelder]

According to the verses you site, tsth, no one who is saved sins. Or is capable of sin.

Since I sin I must not be saved, according to the verses you posted.

Unless you are taking the verses out of context to prove your point. . .

tsth, you remind me a lot of my younger sister.

She did not say that or imply that at all. Reread it and slow down.

She said before we were saved that we were bound to do sin..but now we are saved we are bound to do righteouness. When you were a sinner did you ever do what was right? You mainly lived to serve self and and sin but every once in awhile you did something right. This is the same with being a slave of righteousness. Sometimes we sin but we strive with all our hearts for righteouness because we want to please God. Now if this is not in your heart then and you choice to live a sin filled life with out any regard to God then yes you are a servant of sin and not of righteousness. See the difference? One is servant of God and one is a servant of Self.

I can remember before I got saved I was big into partying and sexual misconduct, I lived to please self....but now that I am saved I put away those things and strive for rightouseness. Do I still sin??? Yes but my heart is pointed in the right direction. When I sin I feel terriable and confess it to God and then I continue to strive for rightouseness. This is called being a slave to righteosness. We have to love righteousness more then sin.

How true!!!

When we allow the old man to be crucified, our old nature is crucified with him...It is our old nature which drives us to sin.

Because we have put on a new nature, that old instinct towards sin is eradicated, and a new instinct towards righteousness is what drives our actions, and motivates our behaviors.

That is not to say that we will never sin....because we live through these "bodies of sin," within a sinful world, we still have the flesh operating. It is this flesh that drives us to sin, and leads us into temptation, and sometimes, we will stumble.

BUT, because of the Holy Spirit inside of us, we are "new creatures in Christ." Likewise, our new man no longer has an instinct towards sin, which is not to say that person will not stumble.

What it DOES imply is that, after that person stumbles, he/she will automatically be convicted of it, so that God's forgiveness can be sought, and freely given. Because sin is not our motivating factor, we are not drawn towards it...and because it is not instinctive, it is not natural for us.

Likewise, when we stumble, we have knowledge, whereas when we were living in sin, we could do so without a single thought. To sin was comfortable, because it was completely natural....not so when we are born of the Holy Spirit.

Heb. 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins

Although it is true that we sin daily, if we willfully continue in sins that we know to be wrong, with no remorse, then it appears that Christ's sacrifice is null and void.

If we have truly repented, we have changed our minds.

When we are born of the Holy Spirit, He convicts us if we sin. Not so with the OT sacrifices, wherein people had to atone for "ignorant sin." That is why Christ's sacrifice is so superior to the OT sacrifice...It was the means by which the "new nature" was put on, and the Holy Spirit could convict us of sin.

When we are "crucified in Christ," we become dead to the flesh, and live by the Spirit. Sin does not remain our motivating factor, but a lingering malady.

I'm not sure why this thread created such an uproar....sounds like solid Biblical doctrine to me.

....and NO, we are NOT justified by works, but by Jesus Christ our precious Lord.

[Openly Curious]

Slave to Righteousness

And having been set free from sin,

you became slaves of righteousness.

Romans 6:18

Before you were a Christian you were a slave, in bondage to sin. Even when you did not want to sin, you were unable to do otherwise (Rom. 7:15-24). When God saved you, He freed you from sin, but you remained a slave. Now, rather than being bound to sin, you are bound to righteousness. In every area of your life you are obligated to do what honors God.

There are some who believe that when Christ sets them free, they are free to do whatever they want. That is not so. The apostle Paul realized that when he began following Christ he became a "bondservant" of Christ, and his life was no longer his own (Rom. 1:1). Now, rather than being enslaved to sin, he was enslaved to God and His righteousness. When people mistreated him, he had forfeited the right to respond from his natural feelings but was compelled to offer a righteous response. When he was tempted, he was no longer free to succumb to his feelings. Paul could not enter the workplace and act selfishly. He understood that, as a slave of righteousness, he was obligated to live a holy life, honoring his Master.

Righteous living is not an option for a Christian. Nor is it something we must try to do over time. It is an obligation, mandatory for every child of God. Our freedom in Christ is not freedom to do what we want. It is freedom to live righteously, something we could not do when we were in bondage to sin. Now that we are free to live righteously, we must allow the Holy Spirit to produce in us a holy, sanctified life (1 John 3:7).

In His Love,

Suzanne

Great post tsth

Romans 6:14--"For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not "Under" the law, but "Under" grace."

OC

[Scarletprayers]

Shiloh, is it possible you have failed to assume the best of Tsth's intentions?

I am not questioning her intentions. I am challenging the wrongness of her methodology. She has stated some questionable things, and people on this and another thread have tried to get her to clarify her position but it is like trying to get blood from a stone. She responds with evasiveness.

I don't expect to agree or totally understand where someone is coming from in their post, thats why we ask questions. But it the person refuses to give you anything, but more scriptures that may or may not relate to the original post??? Leaves you feeling kinda high and dry.

[tsth]

Dear Scarlet,

Just because a post doesn't affect you like you think it should, doesn't make it a bad post. Obviously others did receive it as intended, so I guess the post was for those it was intended for. I am not to blame just because a passage of Scripture did not minister to you. I share things, because they minister to me, so I would assume that they would minister to someone else as well. Many passages, just seem to speak for themselves and need no further clarification, or maybe I'm just led to let the passages stand alone for thought, without "my" input. It is not mandatory for me to clarify Scripture, especially to those who claim to be mature in the faith.

As for those of you who were edified by the post, I appreciate that you shared.

In His Love,

Suzanne

[Scarletprayers]

I had another post, I deleted it, this isn't worth answering.

[Guest shiloh357]

I had another post, I deleted it, this isn't worth answering.

I would second that. You are exactly right.