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Shalom,

I was wondering how people deal with when they hold differing theological views than what is being preached from the pulpit, if it is NOT concerning the Deity of Messiah or how to be saved.

For example, our pastor is in the middle of a wonderful sermon series, verse by verse, from the book of Romans. WOW, what great wisdom and teaching from the Holy Spirit! Great stuff!

However, when he got to the question of predestination, he preached in opposition to what my husband and I believe the Scriptures are saying. (I'm not going to post his teaching because I don't want a debate on predestination :emot-highfive: ).

Anyway, of course, hubby and I are certainly not infallible and we could be dead wrong in our interpretation, but for right now, we believe that this is what the Scriptures say. So, in issues not dealing with the essentials of the faith (who Jesus is, how to be saved etc.), we don't get all up in arms if we hold differing views.

(Oh, we also disagree with the pastor on speaking in tongues, the rapture and OSAS).

So, my question is, what issues are deal-breakers for you, in that your pastor teaches something from the pulpit that you believe is not the correct interpretation of the Scriptures?

Which ones do you overlook and which ones do you stand up and object to? Or which ones cause you to leave the church?


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Shalom,

I was wondering how people deal with when they hold differing theological views than what is being preached from the pulpit, if it is NOT concerning the Deity of Messiah or how to be saved.

For example, our pastor is in the middle of a wonderful sermon series, verse by verse, from the book of Romans. WOW, what great wisdom and teaching from the Holy Spirit! Great stuff!

However, when he got to the question of predestination, he preached in opposition to what my husband and I believe the Scriptures are saying. (I'm not going to post his teaching because I don't want a debate on predestination :emot-highfive: ).

Anyway, of course, hubby and I are certainly not infallible and we could be dead wrong in our interpretation, but for right now, we believe that this is what the Scriptures say. So, in issues not dealing with the essentials of the faith (who Jesus is, how to be saved etc.), we don't get all up in arms if we hold differing views.

(Oh, we also disagree with the pastor on speaking in tongues, the rapture and OSAS).

So, my question is, what issues are deal-breakers for you, in that your pastor teaches something from the pulpit that you believe is not the correct interpretation of the Scriptures?

Which ones do you overlook and which ones do you stand up and object to? Or which ones cause you to leave the church?

Given that there are several views that are considered within the real of orthodoxy regarding predestination / free will, this is probably not a hill I would die on.


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Shalom,

I was wondering how people deal with when they hold differing theological views than what is being preached from the pulpit, if it is NOT concerning the Deity of Messiah or how to be saved.

For example, our pastor is in the middle of a wonderful sermon series, verse by verse, from the book of Romans. WOW, what great wisdom and teaching from the Holy Spirit! Great stuff!

However, when he got to the question of predestination, he preached in opposition to what my husband and I believe the Scriptures are saying. (I'm not going to post his teaching because I don't want a debate on predestination :emot-highfive: ).

Anyway, of course, hubby and I are certainly not infallible and we could be dead wrong in our interpretation, but for right now, we believe that this is what the Scriptures say. So, in issues not dealing with the essentials of the faith (who Jesus is, how to be saved etc.), we don't get all up in arms if we hold differing views.

(Oh, we also disagree with the pastor on speaking in tongues, the rapture and OSAS).

So, my question is, what issues are deal-breakers for you, in that your pastor teaches something from the pulpit that you believe is not the correct interpretation of the Scriptures?

Which ones do you overlook and which ones do you stand up and object to? Or which ones cause you to leave the church?

Given that there are several views that are considered within the real of orthodoxy regarding predestination / free will, this is probably not a hill I would die on.

Shalom Eric,

Predestination is only one of the issues I used as an example.

But, which ones WOULD you make a stand on? That was my question.

So, my question is, what issues are deal-breakers for you, in that your pastor teaches something from the pulpit that you believe is not the correct interpretation of the Scriptures?

Which ones do you overlook and which ones do you stand up and object to? Or which ones cause you to leave the church?


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Shalom,

I was wondering how people deal with when they hold differing theological views than what is being preached from the pulpit, if it is NOT concerning the Deity of Messiah or how to be saved.

For example, our pastor is in the middle of a wonderful sermon series, verse by verse, from the book of Romans. WOW, what great wisdom and teaching from the Holy Spirit! Great stuff!

However, when he got to the question of predestination, he preached in opposition to what my husband and I believe the Scriptures are saying. (I'm not going to post his teaching because I don't want a debate on predestination :) ).

Anyway, of course, hubby and I are certainly not infallible and we could be dead wrong in our interpretation, but for right now, we believe that this is what the Scriptures say. So, in issues not dealing with the essentials of the faith (who Jesus is, how to be saved etc.), we don't get all up in arms if we hold differing views.

(Oh, we also disagree with the pastor on speaking in tongues, the rapture and OSAS).

So, my question is, what issues are deal-breakers for you, in that your pastor teaches something from the pulpit that you believe is not the correct interpretation of the Scriptures?

Which ones do you overlook and which ones do you stand up and object to? Or which ones cause you to leave the church?

Given that there are several views that are considered within the real of orthodoxy regarding predestination / free will, this is probably not a hill I would die on.

Shalom Eric,

Predestination is only one of the issues I used as an example.

But, which ones WOULD you make a stand on? That was my question.

So, my question is, what issues are deal-breakers for you, in that your pastor teaches something from the pulpit that you believe is not the correct interpretation of the Scriptures?

Which ones do you overlook and which ones do you stand up and object to? Or which ones cause you to leave the church?

if I disagreed with my pastor I would make a appointment in regards to the matter to be able to express my opinion to him, He should know how his sheep are thinking. I have done that many times myself. I will go a humble heart for a dicussion. If there are one couple I am sure their are others. I would not go to try and change his opinion and your opinion may stay the same. so do not expect to come to any other conclusion except for disagreements or different opinions are allowe. If it is based on a scripture preached to not your liking due to it being totally erroneous. That is a different issue. As my pastor stated once to me There is no one perfect and we all can learn from each other, he alone was a man that did not mind reproof depending how it was presented. He and I disagreed to disagree...but do not let it harp on you. It will interfere with being part of the herd.... Hope I helped a little... :emot-highfive::24:


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Yeah we went through a sermon we were not real impressed with. The whole sermon was on wether or not animals had souls. I dont understand why a whole sermon was made out of it? :emot-highfive: And on communion Sunday! :) But all of his other sermons have been great so we are letting that one slide.

Sorry I am not much of a help.


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Shalom,

I was wondering how people deal with when they hold differing theological views than what is being preached from the pulpit, if it is NOT concerning the Deity of Messiah or how to be saved.

For example, our pastor is in the middle of a wonderful sermon series, verse by verse, from the book of Romans. WOW, what great wisdom and teaching from the Holy Spirit! Great stuff!

However, when he got to the question of predestination, he preached in opposition to what my husband and I believe the Scriptures are saying. (I'm not going to post his teaching because I don't want a debate on predestination :emot-highfive: ).

Anyway, of course, hubby and I are certainly not infallible and we could be dead wrong in our interpretation, but for right now, we believe that this is what the Scriptures say. So, in issues not dealing with the essentials of the faith (who Jesus is, how to be saved etc.), we don't get all up in arms if we hold differing views.

(Oh, we also disagree with the pastor on speaking in tongues, the rapture and OSAS).

So, my question is, what issues are deal-breakers for you, in that your pastor teaches something from the pulpit that you believe is not the correct interpretation of the Scriptures?

Which ones do you overlook and which ones do you stand up and object to? Or which ones cause you to leave the church?

Given that there are several views that are considered within the real of orthodoxy regarding predestination / free will, this is probably not a hill I would die on.

Shalom Eric,

Predestination is only one of the issues I used as an example.

But, which ones WOULD you make a stand on? That was my question.

So, my question is, what issues are deal-breakers for you, in that your pastor teaches something from the pulpit that you believe is not the correct interpretation of the Scriptures?

Which ones do you overlook and which ones do you stand up and object to? Or which ones cause you to leave the church?

1. That Jesus is the only way that one can enter into a relationship with God

2. That the means one avails themselves of this is through faith alone

3. That the scriptures (both Old and New Testaments) were inspired by God in their original autographs and are inerrant and infallable.

4. That God is one and exists in triunity (Father, Son and Holy Spirit)

5. That Jesus is a historical person who was crucified and died. That He rose from the dead physically on the third day and after appearing to many, ascended to the Father where He now sits at the right hand of the power of God

6. That Jesus will return physically to the earth to establish His kingdom

7. That all human beings have an eternal destiny. Those who know God will live eternally with Him. This who reject the offer of Jesus, will suffer eternally separated from God.

8. That all humans are born separated from God due to sin, and are in need of supernatural help to have their relationship with God restored.


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So, my question is, what issues are deal-breakers for you, in that your pastor teaches something from the pulpit that you believe is not the correct interpretation of the Scriptures?

Which ones do you overlook and which ones do you stand up and object to? Or which ones cause you to leave the church?

1. That Jesus is the only way that one can enter into a relationship with God

2. That the means one avails themselves of this is through faith alone

3. That the scriptures (both Old and New Testaments) were inspired by God in their original autographs and are inerrant and infallable.

4. That God is one and exists in triunity (Father, Son and Holy Spirit)

5. That Jesus is a historical person who was crucified and died. That He rose from the dead physically on the third day and after appearing to many, ascended to the Father where He now sits at the right hand of the power of God

6. That Jesus will return physically to the earth to establish His kingdom

7. That all human beings have an eternal destiny. Those who know God will live eternally with Him. This who reject the offer of Jesus, will suffer eternally separated from God.

8. That all humans are born separated from God due to sin, and are in need of supernatural help to have their relationship with God restored.


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Which ones do you overlook and which ones do you stand up and object to? Or which ones cause you to leave the church?


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Shalom,

I was wondering how people deal with when they hold differing theological views than what is being preached from the pulpit, if it is NOT concerning the Deity of Messiah or how to be saved.

For example, our pastor is in the middle of a wonderful sermon series, verse by verse, from the book of Romans. WOW, what great wisdom and teaching from the Holy Spirit! Great stuff!

However, when he got to the question of predestination, he preached in opposition to what my husband and I believe the Scriptures are saying. (I'm not going to post his teaching because I don't want a debate on predestination :thumbsup: ).

Anyway, of course, hubby and I are certainly not infallible and we could be dead wrong in our interpretation, but for right now, we believe that this is what the Scriptures say. So, in issues not dealing with the essentials of the faith (who Jesus is, how to be saved etc.), we don't get all up in arms if we hold differing views.

(Oh, we also disagree with the pastor on speaking in tongues, the rapture and OSAS).

So, my question is, what issues are deal-breakers for you, in that your pastor teaches something from the pulpit that you believe is not the correct interpretation of the Scriptures?

Which ones do you overlook and which ones do you stand up and object to? Or which ones cause you to leave the church?

Given that there are several views that are considered within the real of orthodoxy regarding predestination / free will, this is probably not a hill I would die on.

Shalom Eric,

Predestination is only one of the issues I used as an example.

But, which ones WOULD you make a stand on? That was my question.

So, my question is, what issues are deal-breakers for you, in that your pastor teaches something from the pulpit that you believe is not the correct interpretation of the Scriptures?

Which ones do you overlook and which ones do you stand up and object to? Or which ones cause you to leave the church?

1. That Jesus is the only way that one can enter into a relationship with God

2. That the means one avails themselves of this is through faith alone

3. That the scriptures (both Old and New Testaments) were inspired by God in their original autographs and are inerrant and infallable.

4. That God is one and exists in triunity (Father, Son and Holy Spirit)

5. That Jesus is a historical person who was crucified and died. That He rose from the dead physically on the third day and after appearing to many, ascended to the Father where He now sits at the right hand of the power of God

6. That Jesus will return physically to the earth to establish His kingdom

7. That all human beings have an eternal destiny. Those who know God will live eternally with Him. This who reject the offer of Jesus, will suffer eternally separated from God.

8. That all humans are born separated from God due to sin, and are in need of supernatural help to have their relationship with God restored.

Amen Eric!!!

I would also add a few, although I must say that while I agree strongly with everything that you said, I'm thankful that you mentioned about the Old and New Testament being the inerrant word of God!!!

1. That Christ's death, burial, and ressurection was enough the first (and last) time that we can't loose our salvaiton, that we do'nt have to "keep getting saved".

2. Believes in the "local church", ekklesia- "called assembly" of born again, baptized believers.

3. KJV Only, in reference to the inerrant and infallible, preserved Word of God

4. Baptism and Communion does not wash away sins, or cleanse of sins, even through the Holy Ghost.

5. Good GODLY music.

There are some doctrines that are really "big" in our minds, such as what Erich listed, and those are really really important, but I think things all the way down to "what is "the church" and "what kind of music is biblical" are also very important... I don't want to go to a church that doesn't have certain standards such as "no premarital sex", I woudl say "RUN!!!" if it did'nt have that standard even! Some more particulars that aren't exactly "Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation" sort of doctrine...

6. Independent, Fundamental Baptist, which isn't just a name.

7. The gift of tongues are not longer in churches today, that ceased when the Bible was completed.

8. Baptism does not wash away original sin, and there are no biblical examples of a baby baptism- baptism is specifically for after salvation.

9. Abstinence from drinking, smoking, etc

If I had a disagreement with something that my pastor said, I woudl probably take it up with him in a meeting, and study it out.... However, I think things like where a pastor stands on things like assurance of salvation (as Worthy categorizes it, OSAS), is VERY important and changes SO many things!! There are certain doctrines that are important, even if they dont affect one's salvation, and I feel it's important to go to a church that teaches that.

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