God is salvation

[Rhonda Lou]

You've maybe noticed that I've used ,(what I think) on the and of the sentences, which means that I think for my self.

Not like the other people, who let the church do they thinking for them.

So are you saying then, that everyone here who thinks that Jesus is God isn't thinking the Scriptures through for themselves and are only regurgitating what their pastors have told them?

I find that highly arrogant if it is so.

Some people here have said, that they beleive what they beleive because of what they've been taught by the church. And in my opinion, belief can't be taught. All that church has to do is give us the Gospels (the Bible), just like the first apostols did, and lett us decide what the Gospels are trying to say.

I believe that jesus is God and i rarely ever go to church.

The question is, do you make your own opinion, or do you listen to the church?

I believe that this is getting off the point of whether or not Jesus is God, but to answer this question, I think for myself and have gone against many of my denominational beliefs because the Bible proved the tradition incorrect. In this case, Jesus IS God, and Jesus IS man. I believe the Bible clearly says that. I can't speak for anybody else, but since you've asked...

[7thseal]

( Philippians 2.11)

And when I read this, to me it means that Father is God and that Jesus Christ is our Lord.

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth,

Matthew 28: 18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Could you please explain who you believe has the power over both heaven and earth as God.

[Yahweh is salvation]

I'll just say one more thing on this subject. Whether we beleive Jesus is God or God's Son, it doesn't realy mather. What we have to remember is to do what he told us to do.

Over and out. Sinceraly your Brother in Christ.

God bless you.

[7thseal]

Whether we beleive Jesus is God or God's Son, it doesn't realy mather. What we have to remember is to do what he told us to do.

Ooo but it does matter.

Matthew 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

[MrLuke]

Some people here have said, that they beleive what they beleive because of what they've been taught by the church. And in my opinion, belief can't be taught. All that church has to do is give us the Gospels (the Bible), just like the first apostols did, and lett us decide what the Gospels are trying to say.

That's right, belief can't be taught.. you can't make someone believe through teaching knowledge, BUT there does come a point when what you teach people suddenly "clicks" with them and they understand and then all their logical barriers pass away and the opportunity for true belief enters in!

That's not the point though. The Gospel was presented but in no way was it just told and then left! Oh no! Look at Paul, he stayed in some places for months at a time, sometimes years preaching the Gospel everyday, every week, showing the people proofs from the OT that Jesus was the Messiah!

Churches do need to just give the Gospel - it would help alot if they did that more methinks! But they also need to explain what the Gospel is too. You can just say to someone, "Jesus was born, God in flesh - He did miracles and then died for you on the cross and 3 days later was raised from the dead! The end" but what will that do for people? It will peak their interest and make the want to know more, so that's when you've got to be ready to explain in full the message you preach - so they can gain better understanding of the words you are saying to them!

You need to remember, not everyone is so fluent in knowledge about 1st Century Middle east like we become as Christians (well.. we become more knowledgable than your stand Joe Somebody off the street at least!).

Anyway, I'm getting off on tangents.

[MrLuke]

Whether we beleive Jesus is God or God's Son, it doesn't realy mather. What we have to remember is to do what he told us to do.

Ooo but it does matter.

Matthew 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Doesn't matter? So run the risk of living life by works in the hope your faith is right when Scripture plainly says otherwise, and run the risk of "get away from me, I never knew you!" ?

Hmm.. well like you said, it's up to each of us to interpret it how we decide!

[Guest shiloh357]

I'll just say one more thing on this subject. Whether we beleive Jesus is God or God's Son, it doesn't realy mather. What we have to remember is to do what he told us to do.

Over and out. Sinceraly your Brother in Christ.

God bless you.

It matters, because if Jesus is not God, there is no salvation. If Jesus is not God, then we have no assurance that ANYTHING Jesus said is true. If Jesus is not God, then His life was a complete fraud.

If Jesus is not God then He promoted idolatry by receiving worship which belongs only to God.

If Jesus is not God, He no right to forgive sins in His own Name.

The only option is that Jesus is either man or God. If Jesus is just a man, we have no guarantee that He was sinless, and we have no guarantee that His teachings are without error. If Jesus is not God, He carries no more weight that Ghandi, Buddha, Confuscious, Mohammed, Krishna, etc.

If Jesus is just a man, we have no guarantee that His sacrifice was sufficient to pay for sin. In fact, if Jesus was just a man, Jesus' death was an execution or a murder or the death of martyr, but not a sacrifice.

The Deity of Jesus matters because without it, there is no Christian faith. The Deity of Jesus does not matter to you, but to those of us who are true folloers of Jesus and true Christians, it does matter.

[7thseal]

The Deity of Jesus does not matter to you, but to those of us who are true folloers of Jesus and true Christians, it does matter.

Amen,

Everyone will see Jesus for who He is....for many it will be to late to suddenly have a change of heart. For the only carpenter certified to change the heart will no longer be available.

Philippians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

[Eliyahuw]

You've maybe noticed that I've used ,(what I think) on the and of the sentences, which means that I think for my self.

Not like the other people, who let the church do they thinking for them.

So are you saying then, that everyone here who thinks that Jesus is God isn't thinking the Scriptures through for themselves and are only regurgitating what their pastors have told them?

I find that highly arrogant if it is so.

Some people here have said, that they beleive what they beleive because of what they've been taught by the church. And in my opinion, belief can't be taught. All that church has to do is give us the Gospels (the Bible), just like the first apostols did, and lett us decide what the Gospels are trying to say.

I believe that jesus is God and i rarely ever go to church.

The question is, do you make your own opinion, or do you listen to the church?

both

I make up my own opinion based on what i read in Gods word and what the HS gives me the wisdom to understand, and i also listen to what is taught in my church. I don't believe hook line and sinker what is taught in fact what my pastor says, don't believe a word i day, check itout for yourself by reading the bible.

[Eliyahuw]

heres a simple question,

IF Jesus isn't God, then how is he qualified to judge the world at the Great white throne judgment??