Christians

[patricia1]

:quote name='Zadok Rox' date='Aug 26 2007, 09:40 PM' post='963632']

Trust your heart. If you feel God is telling you something is wrong in that church, there probably is. Maybe you could begin a fellowship at your home for any other members who are feeling as you do about the church, since there aren't many options where you live.

Just be careful if you decide to have a fellowship at your home. Don't allow it to become a substitute for church or a hotbed for gossip. A couple of years ago, we began having prayer meetings, but they sometimes ended up being a time to grumble about things going on in the church (the pastor didn't come; he was assured that all we would do is pray, plus he was stretching himself thin). It wasn't long before nobody showed up for the prayer meeting.

[damo1]

from damo1

yep been there my self in the churches i tried before i found a good one it was look at me pastor or a bless me club instead of reaching out and doing what jesus did most ignore you as this realy hurt me wear you try to fit in you feal as if you are being pushed out or you are not good for them what hurst is the arogance or the mask that is put on as i know how to read people and it was sad to see this happening in the churches i tried i am in a good church wear every one is ever so welcoming the kids join in worship and you almost feel the holy spirits pressence in some big churches you can almost be ingnored wear in smal ones that are just growing you feel as they realy want you to stick around and go out of there way to make you feel welcome

i moved from canberra and i missed that old church as there wear young people dancing threw worship and it was awsem to be with these guys

our church makes people feel welcome and we do not make any one feal uncomferbal

from damo1

[F8thNJesus]

I think it is sad that many feel completely okay to grumble, complain, and gossipp about the church.Oh and then the very first reaction is, "i need to leave, but not before I complain about it, and get good encouragement from other backbiters agreeing that I am more righteous than any of the people in my church."Have you ever considered praying for your congregation on a daily basis, or praying for one that you see has a fault.

I'm not saying God doesn't lead people to leave a congregation, but I do feel that the majority did not get a prompting from the Lord because of a fault they saw in the church,but rather they acted on flesh.

How many healthy churches we would have, if we had healthy christians dedicated to standing in the gap for the body of Christ! One that calls themself a christian, and then post something that points out faults (like a man clapping for his pastor rather than a child) for christians and non-christians alike to see, should be ashamed of being a cancer to the body that Christ is coming back for.

[None]

I think it is sad that many feel completely okay to grumble, complain, and gossipp about the church.Oh and then the very first reaction is, "i need to leave, but not before I complain about it, and get good encouragement from other backbiters agreeing that I am more righteous than any of the people in my church."Have you ever considered praying for your congregation on a daily basis, or praying for one that you see has a fault.

I'm not saying God doesn't lead people to leave a congregation, but I do feel that the majority did not get a prompting from the Lord because of a fault they saw in the church,but rather they acted on flesh.

How many healthy churches we would have, if we had healthy christians dedicated to standing in the gap for the body of Christ! One that calls themself a christian, and then post something that points out faults (like a man clapping for his pastor rather than a child) for christians and non-christians alike to see, should be ashamed of being a cancer to the body that Christ is coming back for.

Maybe is true in some instances, but some churches are filled with people who will lead other down a bad path. Not all churches are good and not all congregations are filled with good people. If God tells a person to get out, they should listen.

I'm reminded of the people who excaped suicide cults...

You never can tell, every case is different.

[Massorite]

Hi

Does anyone else feel like me about the church, Christians etc. I went to church this morning and the worship team were playing a game that involved pretending to surf on a surf board, it was really aimed at the kids and was good fun. They invited people to participate and the pastor and 2 children volunteered. At the end we had to clap to decide the winner, I was amazed that most of the adults clapped the pastor and not the children!, it really saddened me, why do adult Christians behave that way, it was like they were trying to gain favor with the Pastor, I am already dismayed by what I see in church and this didnt help.

I want a church that claps the Children and builds them up.

What do you think, I am really discouraged.

Lynda

Your not alone Lynda. I get so fed up with twisted scripture, false doctrine and many assumptions. Every church I have ever gone to the pastor always says. "We should talk." But as soon as he finds out that I preach that Christmas is pagan and the bible tells us not to decorate trees, that Easter is pagan and not biblically sanctioned, that once saved always saved can not be proven using scripture or that getting ones name written in the Lambs book of life when we get saved is not written anywhere in the bible. He soon turns from being nice and warm to being cold aluft.

Oh well. God wrote the book. I didn't.

[damo1]

from damo1

if people say its un healthy for christians to complain how many have gone out of ther way to draw the ones that do not come back and how many go out of ther way to ask why have you not come back its so simple to make such a statement like this with out seeing or be willing to listen to others that have been hurt of felt left out or ignored there is a book written on church abuse and it goes to show how people can be mis led if one is not grounded in gods word for the older ones and those that are strong in there walk its not the same for some one starting out there walk in one church alone a pastor was buying his members who stuck with him harley davidsons it had everything a church had the worship the preaching and so on until some one decided to do a bit off back ground on the church and the pastor many had left this church due to being hurt sevral stood up and questioned and when they had done this they wear told to leave and never come back

in our church there are people that have been hurt very bad and have we got the right to say you should not have left jesus states luke warm chrisians and churches wil be dealt with as he warned the 7 churches in revelations not one person rang me or asked me if i was ok and why is it many only reach out to well off and talented people and ignore the rest if some one makes a post on this sight should people have the right to say you are gossiping or you are not a real christian when one has asked for people to share a person should be alowed to share there experiances with out people throwing what somone share in there face

i reach out to those the church is to scared to reach out to our church hear takes on people that other churches regect like people with mental ilness we have sevral in our church wear others have almost told these people thay are not welcome i reach out to thugs and i reach out to bikes people in groups such as the rebels and so on these people are just like you and me but i do not see any christian putting what they preach into practice and putting the hand out i reach out to addicts i reach out to dealers i also reach out to those that work in strip clubs and those that walk the streets hear we have aborigonal people comming to our church as we have noticed many are very racist toward people from diffrent nations or countrys

so i would like to say one thing if christ died on the cross who did he die for ? was it for the well of the healthy ones was it for people like my self and those that have been hurt or is it just one group of people that christ died for tel me something the peron that made this statement do you walk the streets in your town and do what it says in gods word or do you just play church and come down on those that open up and share there experiances my friend who is in jail for murder is it wrong for me to reach out to her and tell her that jesus died for her and that what she did she is forgiven as my friend is reaching out wear no one dared to say hello sisiter what can i do for you or just sat ther and listend to her

this is all i am going to say on this subject

from damo1

[DarkNebulaWelder]

.......getting ones name written in the Lambs book of life when we get saved is not written anywhere in the bible.

Then how would you interpret these Scriptures:

Rev. 3:5 He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot his name out of the Lamb's Book of Life

Rev. 21:27 But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb's Book of Life

[Guest]

.......getting ones name written in the Lambs book of life when we get saved is not written anywhere in the bible.

Then how would you interpret these Scriptures:

Rev. 3:5 He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot his name out of the Lamb's Book of Life

Rev. 21:27 But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb's Book of Life

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 20:14-15

[Marnie]

Hi

Does anyone else feel like me about the church, Christians etc. I went to church this morning and the worship team were playing a game that involved pretending to surf on a surf board, it was really aimed at the kids and was good fun. They invited people to participate and the pastor and 2 children volunteered. At the end we had to clap to decide the winner, I was amazed that most of the adults clapped the pastor and not the children!, it really saddened me, why do adult Christians behave that way, it was like they were trying to gain favor with the Pastor, I am already dismayed by what I see in church and this didnt help.

I want a church that claps the Children and builds them up.

What do you think, I am really discouraged.

Lynda

I think if that discouraged you, then there must be something else going on to discourage you, as well. This skit in and of itself seems pretty harmless. We did a thing at our church to conclude VBS in which my husband, as usual, totally humiliated himself during a skit with the kids in front of the whole church. It was a evangelistic tool, everybody was relaxed and knew it was skit, not to be taken seriously. Let's face it, we all like to see the pastor knocked down a peg or two in good fun. Especially if it's your husband lol.

Maybe you need to examine what's really wrong with your church, in your opinion, and talk to the pastor(s) about it. They'll listen.

[F8thNJesus]

tel me something the peron that made this statement do you walk the streets in your town and do what it says in gods word or do you just play church and come down on those that open up and share there experiances my friend who is in jail for murder is it wrong for me to reach out to her and tell her that jesus died for her and that what she did she is forgiven as my friend is reaching out wear no one dared to say hello sisiter what can i do for you or just sat ther and listend to her

Hate to dissapoint you my friend, but no I don't just play church, and I do walk the streets just as you with my four kids mind you and minister to those that are in the Hiways and Biways. If my husband would allow me (i am pregnant), I would be in the prison ministry our church has, but all I can do is prepare food and minister to the guys at our recovery house. when our church first started the addiction recovery program, we had many people leave. I am thankful for the church I attend, and and everyone is welcome. I am going to take a picture one day of the parking Lot. there are BMW"S, and Pintos side by side.

My husband's truck is two toned. LOL .

There have been times when I saw problems, and I thought in my flesh "that is just wrong", but the Lord has a way of handling everything given time.

It irritates me when people think that the church should be there for them to be ministered to and make them feel entertained and fat and happy. When we are a part of that body, then we need to not "Ask what the body can do for us, but rather what we can do for the Body."

Just like the human body, the Body of Christ has many parts, and have a purpose to make it healthier. Our bodies have antibodies when it detects something wrong, or a sickness. when we something wrong in our fellowship, then we need to seek the Heavenly doctor in prayer (or using the word to restore a brother found in sin) that is when our heavenly antibodies are doing their job.

I never stated that people aren't led by the Lord to leave, but I did state that many leave because of their flesh, or left before the Lord gave a "GO AHEAD" and thought that they left because of a problem. One poster earlier said that they felt the Lord told them to leave, but they are waiting for the Lord's timing. In that time, they have seen the problem (that caused them to seek the Lord) dissipate. Therfore it seems to me that God used that to prompt them in seeking Him for his will concerning a new level of ministry.

Yes you are going to get offended at church, because we are made up of imperfect people. Just like in the world, we have to remember it doesn't revolve around us.

Does anyone else feel like me about the church, Christians etc.

[note]that this is a statement about "THE Church" and "The Body"

This board is for believers and non-believers alike, and my point is .......

"A house divided shall Not Stand"

Are we as christians bearing false witness against our neighbors and letting our light shine when we make blanket statements about "The Church" or "THe body".