Domestic Abuse

[damo1]

from damo1

i wish i can set up a link to show you what is being talked about in some of the mens groups that are run by the goverment in tackling this problem hear with in the aborigonal communities yet due to privacy law this can not be done yet some men and young males have shared in several different churches wear invited by the pastors or counselors that are christians and being payed by the goverment to help

we have been talking on these points alone that oops martin has raised as the way women are seen today by us men falls on the way the sex industry displays them in the videos and the magazines as well

i my self had a poor role model as a father and i am not blaming him for the way i turned out as it all came to me and when i dealt with this i had to take a good look at how i acted and how i saw women in general and let me tell you if i had been bought up in a stable home wear both mother and father wear loving and in a stable job and wear christians i would not have turned out the way i did

and some of these guys and younger males have said the same thing its how they wear bought up and what they are doing know to brake this cultral wall that has surrounded the aborigonal community mind you its only been done with in the aborigonal communities as its broad on a bigger scale yet the goverment is looking at using some of this to also address this in the main society and among australians them selves

yet we are also looking at how the sex industry and the publishers that sell these magazines can be held accountable as a lot also has to do with these industrys to how women are seen and it is wrong how they do this to wear women are used for other mens selfish plessures it almost states its ok to act this way to a women as she sort of likes it which is wrong and degrading

i had to repent as i worked in this industry and saw a lot off it first hand with in the strip clubs i worked in yet i was not a christian

i know several times groups have tried to push for these brothels and strip joints in sydney to be shut i have even signed my name and wrote a letter my self asking that more needs to be done to wear places like this are clossed for good then the other thing to is alcohol and drugs as this also has a big part to play and when it comes into a relationship it can destroy those very close to you yet people don't seem to look at what this does not just to the female but also to the kids

and yes single parent house holds wear bought up wear most boys are being raised with out a father figure as most boys did not have a father figure around

if some had stable men around them to wear they wear able to see how to treat a women with respect most would not have acted out so violently braking down the walls can be almost hard as its sort of a cultral thing as i said and this alone needs to be addressed to wear crimes as this against women can be dealt with and not wear its ignored

the guys that go threw these programs are able to adress this with in ther own communitys

to wear they are efffective role models with in the aborigonal communitys they live in

we have a good mentoring program happening hear as my pastor always says men with in the body need to be more active with in there own communities as my pastor is one of these men who use to work in mental health and is a guy that is not afraid to tackle these issues being an aborigonal elder with in our community and also being a pastor he is a wise man and is able to lead guys like my self and the men and young males that have been coming to these groups and we talk openly with in a safe enviroment

i am only speaking for my self and what we have been addressing hear with in our community

i hope the members on worthy can understand what i have put down as i am learning how to express my self and i am teaching my self how to use this computer that has been passed on to me and i hope to be as good as some of you members to wear i can state things clear for others to read

if i can say one thing i am sorry for what you women have to put up with and this is from the heart and i am doing my best with some of my other brothers hear as no women or child should be subjected to this so i hope i have not up set no one hear on worthy

from damo1

[None]

yet we are also looking at how the sex industry and the publishers that sell these magazines can be held accountable as a lot also has to do with these industrys to how women are seen and it is wrong how they do this to wear women are used for other mens selfish plessures it almost states its ok to act this way to a women as she sort of likes it which is wrong and degrading

John 8:42-47

The Children of the Devil

42)Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here.

I have not come on my own; but he sent me.

43)Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say.

44)You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire.

He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him.

When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

45)Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me!

46)Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't you believe me?

47)He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God."

This "industry" belongs to the world Jesus is speaking about here. Our world. The world is filled with wickedness.

The children of the world, those who love the things of the world, set the standards for the world. Satan's standards.

What do we expect.

[Eddie B]

I was wondering...just what ARE a persons Christian options when it comes to being married to a person that physically abuses them? Is divorce out of the question from a Biblical point of view?

I believe the bible teaches no divorce under any circumstances. But separation my be nessasary for a time.

Theres no easy way in this Christian life, every Christian is in Gods control to will and to do of his good pleasure. Just as Jesus learned obedience through suffering so will we have to. In bad marriages God is not impotent, he is able to accomplish his will.

Eph 1:15 Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,

Eph 1:16 Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;

Eph 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

1Co 7:10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:

1Co 7:11 But if she is indeed separated, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband is not to leave his wife.

1Co 7:12 But to the rest I speak, not the Lord, If any brother has a wife who does not believe, and she is pleased to dwell with him, do not let him put her away.

1Co 7:13 And the woman who has a husband who does not believe, if he is pleased to dwell with her, do not let her leave him.

1Co 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband; else your children would be unclean, but now they are holy.

1Co 7:15 But if the unbelieving one separates, let him be separated. A brother or a sister is not in bondage in such cases, but God has called us in peace.

1Co 7:16 For what do you know, O wife, whether you shall save your husband? Or what do you know, O man, whether you shall save your wife?

1Co 7:17 But as God has distributed to each one, as the Lord has called each one, so let him walk. And so I ordain in all churches.

[Marnie]

I believe the bible teaches no divorce under any circumstances. But separation my be nessasary for a time.

Theres no easy way in this Christian life, every Christian is in Gods control to will and to do of his good pleasure. Just as Jesus learned obedience through suffering so will we have to. In bad marriages God is not impotent, he is able to accomplish his will.

Nothing personal, but your attitude is the perfect illustration of what I have been saying all the way through this thread. First, you are completely ignoring what our Lord said:

But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery. (Matt. 5:32)

Second, you began your sentence with the phrase, "I believe the Bbile teaches..." What a person may or may not believe about the Bible is irrelevant. What is relevant, however, is knowing exactly what the Bible teaches. Since the Bible is an inspired record of G-d's revelation (from the Greek meaning "to unveil, to uncover, to make known") to man, a child of G-d can know know precisely what the Bible says on any given topic if he studies it, rightly dividing the Word, and trusts the Holy Ghost to lead him into the truth.

[Eddie B]

I believe the bible teaches no divorce under any circumstances. But separation my be nessasary for a time.

Theres no easy way in this Christian life, every Christian is in Gods control to will and to do of his good pleasure. Just as Jesus learned obedience through suffering so will we have to. In bad marriages God is not impotent, he is able to accomplish his will.

Nothing personal, but your attitude is the perfect illustration of what I have been saying all the way through this thread. First, you are completely ignoring what our Lord said:

But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery. (Matt. 5:32)

Second, you began your sentence with the phrase, "I believe the Bbile teaches..." What a person may or may not believe about the Bible is irrelevant. What is relevant, however, is knowing exactly what the Bible teaches. Since the Bible is an inspired record of G-d's revelation (from the Greek meaning "to unveil, to uncover, to make known") to man, a child of G-d can know know precisely what the Bible says on any given topic if he studies it, rightly dividing the Word, and trusts the Holy Ghost to lead him into the truth.

The interpetation of Matt. 5:32 for the one exception for divorce, the word fornication or (porneia) is used not adultery and diffenatly not marital unfaithfulness, which could mean for a lot of things other then adultery.

I believe in the context of what and to who(the Jews,primarily) Jesus is saying based on Lev.18 is the only grounds for divorce.

Lev 18:6 None of you shall approach to any who are near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness. I am Jehovah.

Lev 18:7 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father or the nakedness of your mother. She is your mother; you shall not uncover her nakedness.

Lev 18:8 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father's wife. It is your father's nakedness.

Lev 18:9 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your sister, the daughter of your father or the daughter of your mother, born at home or born away. Their nakedness you shall not uncover.

Lev 18:10 The nakedness of your son's daughter, or of your daughter's daughter, you shall not uncover their nakedness. For theirs is your own nakedness.

Lev 18:11 You shall not uncover the nakedness of the daughter of your father's wife, begotten of your father. She is your sister.

Lev 18:12 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father's sister. She is your father's near kinswoman.

Lev 18:13 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your mother's sister. For she is your mother's near kinswoman.

Lev 18:14 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father's brother. You shall not approach his wife. She is your aunt.

Lev 18:15 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your daughter-in-law. She is your son's wife. You shall not uncover her nakedness.

Lev 18:16 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your brother's wife. It is your brother's nakedness.

Lev 18:17 You shall not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter, neither shall you undertake to uncover her son's daughter, or her daughter's daughter. They are her near kinswomen; it is wickedness.

Lev 18:18 And you shall not take a wife to her sister, to vex her, to uncover her nakedness, beside the other in her life

As to what I believe, I'm still learning the truth, and have stated what I believe God has revealed to me through the study of Gods word, through the Holy Spirit.

Phi 3:15 Let us therefore, as many as are perfect, be of this mind. And if in anything you are otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this to you.

Phi 3:16 Yet, as to what we have already attained, let us walk in the same rule, let us mind the same thing.

1Co 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts. And then shall each one have praise of God.

[None]

As to what I believe, I'm still learning the truth, and have stated what I believe God has revealed to me through the study of Gods word, through the Holy Spirit.

I believe you're doing fine.

I like that term, "I believe". We're all learning, we keep learning until we die. No one except for God knows everything.

"I believe" is a humble term which expresses fear for God if His Word is misunderstood by accident.

[Guest GrayOwl]

I was wondering...just what ARE a persons Christian options when it comes to being married to a person that physically abuses them? Is divorce out of the question from a Biblical point of view?

From the biblical point of view, the unfaithfulness of a spouse is the only reason one can divorce. Most people think that is only of a sexual nature. But, unfaithfulness also denotes any and all acts that make staying married impossible.

In the Old Testament, there are many examples of the children of Israel being unfaithful, who went whoring after other gods. This was not of a physical nature. I hope you understand, because I do not wish to be graphic.

Marriage vows are broken when a partner does not keep them and that means becoming violent, which I'm sure he/she did not promise at the wedding ceremony. Prayer is of utmost importance, the Holy Spirit will guide all those who fervently seek Him.

Many blessings to you, and I do hope you will find the answers you need.

[Guest GrayOwl]

As an aside NEVER get counseling with someone who is abusing you. Abusers are manipulators and controllers they don't need counseling, they need jail. No legitimate counselor would want to do "couples" counseling when abuse is present. There is only one advice for a person in this case and that is how to leave without endangering their life and the life of their children. Abusers in general do not change, although through the grace of God obviously anything is possible. The cycle of abuse is an outburst, then a show of contrition and humiliation, then a sweet cycle with flowers and promises to never ever do it again, then the slow build up then the cycle starts over, abusers are pathological liars, even to themselves.

Well-said! God made us in His image, we are His property. Is it part of His plan to allow His property to be abused? I don't think so. If we stay in such a relationship, we contribute to the excesses of an abuser. Go, leave him, and take the temptation you were for him, with you.

[tsth]

It's not the "divorce" issue that is throwing us, but rather the "re-marriage" after divorce. THAT is what is not allowable, according to the Scriptures. See the topic in "Soapbox' section of WB's.

We seem to ignore THAT instruction.

In His Love,

Suzanne

[Guest GrayOwl]

from damo1

i wish i can set up a link to show you what is being talked about in some of the mens groups that are run by the goverment in tackling this problem hear with in the aborigonal communities yet due to privacy law this can not be done yet some men and young males have shared in several different churches wear invited by the pastors or counselors that are christians and being payed by the goverment to help

we have been talking on these points alone that oops martin has raised as the way women are seen today by us men falls on the way the sex industry displays them in the videos and the magazines as well

i my self had a poor role model as a father and i am not blaming him for the way i turned out as it all came to me and when i dealt with this i had to take a good look at how i acted and how i saw women in general and let me tell you if i had been bought up in a stable home wear both mother and father wear loving and in a stable job and wear christians i would not have turned out the way i did

and some of these guys and younger males have said the same thing its how they wear bought up and what they are doing know to brake this cultral wall that has surrounded the aborigonal community mind you its only been done with in the aborigonal communities as its broad on a bigger scale yet the goverment is looking at using some of this to also address this in the main society and among australians them selves

yet we are also looking at how the sex industry and the publishers that sell these magazines can be held accountable as a lot also has to do with these industrys to how women are seen and it is wrong how they do this to wear women are used for other mens selfish plessures it almost states its ok to act this way to a women as she sort of likes it which is wrong and degrading

i had to repent as i worked in this industry and saw a lot off it first hand with in the strip clubs i worked in yet i was not a christian

i know several times groups have tried to push for these brothels and strip joints in sydney to be shut i have even signed my name and wrote a letter my self asking that more needs to be done to wear places like this are clossed for good then the other thing to is alcohol and drugs as this also has a big part to play and when it comes into a relationship it can destroy those very close to you yet people don't seem to look at what this does not just to the female but also to the kids

and yes single parent house holds wear bought up wear most boys are being raised with out a father figure as most boys did not have a father figure around

if some had stable men around them to wear they wear able to see how to treat a women with respect most would not have acted out so violently braking down the walls can be almost hard as its sort of a cultral thing as i said and this alone needs to be addressed to wear crimes as this against women can be dealt with and not wear its ignored

the guys that go threw these programs are able to adress this with in ther own communitys

to wear they are efffective role models with in the aborigonal communitys they live in

we have a good mentoring program happening hear as my pastor always says men with in the body need to be more active with in there own communities as my pastor is one of these men who use to work in mental health and is a guy that is not afraid to tackle these issues being an aborigonal elder with in our community and also being a pastor he is a wise man and is able to lead guys like my self and the men and young males that have been coming to these groups and we talk openly with in a safe enviroment

i am only speaking for my self and what we have been addressing hear with in our community

i hope the members on worthy can understand what i have put down as i am learning how to express my self and i am teaching my self how to use this computer that has been passed on to me and i hope to be as good as some of you members to wear i can state things clear for others to read

if i can say one thing i am sorry for what you women have to put up with and this is from the heart and i am doing my best with some of my other brothers hear as no women or child should be subjected to this so i hope i have not up set no one hear on worthy

from damo1

Thank you for your witness, my brother. God bless you. May He hold you in His loving arms forever, where there is peace.