Bin Laden's speech

[Guest shiloh357]

I have read the Koran. Christ and Mary are highly regarded in in.

But how is a lie showing respect?

Read the last paragraph or two of the transcript. These are the same words I have read from Muslims who have visited this Board. Jesus may be "revered," but He is regarded as a mere prophet, not God incarnate, the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world, the Lord of glory.

I can never respect that lie.

I was speaking of the Koran....which I have read...lots of religious groups do not even acknowledge Jesus as a prophet so in this the Muslims are ahead of the game....though that won't get them into heaven.

Yeah, if they believed he was a prophet, they would not kill those who believe in him, and they would believe His words. Clearly their actions betray their alleged "belief."

[nebula]

I was speaking of the Koran....which I have read...lots of religious groups do not even acknowledge Jesus as a prophet so in this the Muslims are ahead of the game....though that won't get them into heaven.

And the Koran is still selling Him waaaaay short.

Again, in the Koran, Jesus is regarded as a mere prophet, not God incarnate, the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world, the Lord of glory.

To call Him nothing more than a prophet - and a prophet less than Mohammad at that(!) - is a disrespectful lie.

[Guest shiloh357]

I was speaking of the Koran....which I have read...lots of religious groups do not even acknowledge Jesus as a prophet so in this the Muslims are ahead of the game....though that won't get them into heaven.

And the Koran is still selling Him waaaaay short.

Again, in the Koran, Jesus is regarded as a mere prophet, not God incarnate, the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world, the Lord of glory.

To call Him nothing more than a prophet - and a prophet less than Mohammad at that(!) - is a disrespectful lie.

I agree. I'm not arguing. I am just saying that they at least they acknowlege that he was the prophet. Christians and Muslims are the ONLY religions that do that.

Christians do not acknowledge Jesus as a prophet. We acknowledge Him as God and the very Son of God. The Muslims don't even beleive Jesus' words so they really, in practice, DO NOT believe Him to be a prophet. The fact that they kill exMuslims for converting to Christianity should be enough to tell you that.

[Joshua-777]

I have read the Koran. Christ and Mary are highly regarded in in.

But how is a lie showing respect?

Read the last paragraph or two of the transcript. These are the same words I have read from Muslims who have visited this Board. Jesus may be "revered," but He is regarded as a mere prophet, not God incarnate, the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world, the Lord of glory.

I can never respect that lie.

I was speaking of the Koran....which I have read...lots of religious groups do not even acknowledge Jesus as a prophet so in this the Muslims are ahead of the game....though that won't get them into heaven.

I'm honestly glad that Muslims are ahead of the game, cause when it comes to salvation, and Jesus living in our lives, it's not a game.

There are many religions that go against the Deity of Christ, they are all selling themselves short though.

[nebula]

I agree. I'm not arguing. I am just saying that they at least they acknowlege that he was the prophet. Christians and Muslims are the ONLY religions that do that.

Yes, Islam recognizes Jesus as a prophet. But Hindus and/or Buddhists acknowledge Jesus as a great teacher, which is their form of honor. But they don't get any brownie points either.

[Guest shiloh357]

I was speaking of the Koran....which I have read...lots of religious groups do not even acknowledge Jesus as a prophet so in this the Muslims are ahead of the game....though that won't get them into heaven.

And the Koran is still selling Him waaaaay short.

Again, in the Koran, Jesus is regarded as a mere prophet, not God incarnate, the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world, the Lord of glory.

To call Him nothing more than a prophet - and a prophet less than Mohammad at that(!) - is a disrespectful lie.

I agree. I'm not arguing. I am just saying that they at least they acknowlege that he was the prophet. Christians and Muslims are the ONLY religions that do that.

Christians do not acknowledge Jesus as a prophet. We acknowledge Him as God and the very Son of God. The Muslims don't even beleive Jesus' words so they really, in practice, DO NOT believe Him to be a prophet. The fact that they kill exMuslims for converting to Christianity should be enough to tell you that.

What is a prophet? One who foretells future events and/or one who spreads the gospel. Christ fit both definitions.

Christ was indeed a propet and acknowledged that this was so.

Matthew 13

56And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?

57And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.

Christ was speaking of himself here.

The problem is that the Muslims do not acknowledge Jesus as a "prophet" in the way the office of prophet is presented in the Bible. Jesus operated in the office of prophet, but that is subordinate to the fact that Jesus is God. Like I said, IF they really believed that Jesus was a true prophet, they would not persecute anyone for following him.

[ayin jade]

I agree. I'm not arguing. I am just saying that they at least they acknowlege that he was the prophet. Christians and Muslims are the ONLY religions that do that.

No, they consider him A prophet. The prophet they adore is Mohammed.

[kari21]

Quoting Bin Laden:

"The vast majority of you want it stopped (the war). Thus, you elected the democratic party for this purpose, but the democrats haven't made a move worth mentioning"

Oh man...the liberal democrats and the Hollywood elite will be crushed!

This "don't fight us, join us" rant is the same as from any other who is losing...

What Bin Laden can't seem to grasp is that while most Americans do indeed want the war in Iraq to end, they also will never allow terrorist tyrants and oppressors to go unchallenged.

Note to Bin: America will never kneel to terrorisim, nor to your brand of Islam.

[JustinM]

Prophets cannot tell a lie. If they tried to, they'd be struck down immediately. To say Jesus was a prophet, but not the great prophet is a superficial thing to say. In essence, this is what the muslim's are saying to Christians:

We believe Jesus was a prophet, but we also believe He was a liar, because He said He died on the cross and we believe He didn't. That whole concept is a contradiction or oxymoron. Like saying "lying prophet."

It doesn't work and any true Christian will never fall for their lies.

Even Atheists believe that Christ lived, they just believe He was a man and not God. So, that puts them in the same boat as muslims and anyone else that denies Christ as our divine Savior.

[yaqub]

Usama bin Laden has repeatedly invited Americans to Islam. He is following the stipulation of Muhammad when it comes to warfare with non-Muslims. He is fulling the requirements under Islamic Law (Shariah). Essentially, it is a three-step thing:

1. Invitation to Islam

2. Invitation to pay Jizya tax

3. Fight

see http://al-mahdi.atspace.com/invitations.html to understand the purpose of this invitation and what it all means.