ALLAH OR JESUS ?

[pokemaughan]

i know many many muslims. and none of hold to what you ascribe to them . the only and only reason for a jihad is based on three things. which is the only reason for taking a human life

1 in defence of you country

2 in defence of you home

3 in defence of your faith.

and the fourth and most important in the jihad they wage within themselves for purity and pieity.

immans have no power to order people what to do. when they speak it's opinon and muslims understand this.

infact the muslims i know which are many as friends have know hate what so ever.

if you look back at history they brought nothing but peace where ever islam spead. it was the muslims who brought the jews back to jerusalam after the christain empire banished them from the holy land.

it was the muslims who allowed the jews and chritains to live and be in peace in the holyland. all governed themselves according to thier own laws jews and christains both. they only intervined when disputes broke out between faiths. the muslims ruled between peoples NOT OVER THEM AS THE CHURCH DID IN THOSE DAYS.

it was the muslims in SPAIN who gave the jews shelter while the chritains practiced geniside on them in the SPANISH INQUISITION.

it was the muslims who saved the great knowledge of the greeks from distruction from the church.

it was the muslims who are responsible for the WESTREN RENASONCE.

in 1000 ad islam held the highest literecy rate in the world.

it was the muslims who saved the holyland from death,distruction,rape and pillage of THE CRUSADERS who kill all jews and "other " christains they came across.

it was the muslims who invited all back after they did so

even today it's the muslims as gift to them to KEEP THE PEACE AND HOLD THE KEYS TO CHURCH OF THE HOLY SEPLICUR THE HOLIEST PLACE IN CHRISTINDOM!

and the truth is almost all immans DO NOT ASCRIBE TO YOUR " STORY ". GOD KNOWS THE TRUTH!!

I'VE HEARD ENOUGH HATE . I WILL NOT STAND BY AND LET MIS-INFORMATION , DIS-INFORMATION PREVAIL! AND I'LL YELL IF WANT!

MUSLIMS ARE A GOOD AND WORTHY PEOPLE.

Perceived acts of 'good' don't necessarily make a religion 'good'.

Satanists could donate to charity and they'd still be worshipers of Satan.

Muslims could do all the above and they'd still reject Christ.

Dangerous move. I don't care how 'good' and 'worthy' you claim they are. Only Christ can make you 'good' and 'worthy'.

[pokemaughan]

James 4:1

[ Submit Yourselves to God ] What causes fights and quarrels among you? Don't they come from your desires that battle within you?

James 4:7

Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

i guess all the people who refer to christ as CRISTOS are speaking of a false christ.

Allah is the arabic word for the god of abraham. like EL to the people of that time , and jehovah to the people at that time. like I am to the people of moses.

it is sad you don't think you should submit to the god of abraham.

go to a library!

The God of Islam is not the God of Christianity. They like to claim He is, but Allah is not the God. It's a distortion of the real God created by an illiterate man that desired to unite his people. My God claims Jesus is God and paid for my sins. Hmm... Allah claims the opposite...

[damo1]

the thunder

if you go to post one you will see the date and if you read over post one you wil see why i set this post in worthy forum

the god the muslims see as allah is not the god i know or the christians i know who see god

he is known around the world by many names

look at what is happening in iran right know look at what has been aired in our homes and have you been listening to what the protestors have been saying in twitter and in y tube ?

i heard a young women last night describing what the police are doing do you know why the people are protesting ?

think hard before you go saying the muslims alowed us to live in peace in the holy land think real hard before you go running decent christians down

i am amazed that some one resurected this post of mine i have been away from this forum for a long time i only noticed this last night that it was resurected from the waste lands

i dont like what osama bin laden did when we saw the two planes being driven into the twin towers

i dont like what the muslims are doing in my fiances country abu sayiff are a terroist group that dont show no respect to the people of the philippines

if you think that its a peace full religon i can show you that it is not i have read the koran i have read the hadiths and i can tel you it is not a peace full religon

its one of the growing religons in the world muslims are told to settle in countrys and force the people of the countrys they settle in to convert they are told to rule the countrys they settle in by force if the people of the countrys dont listen and convert

islam is a violent religon

i know what i am talking about i nearyl converted when i was a non believer i have muslim friends and i tried out other religons before i decided christianity was the right one for me god has shown me to were he has had his hands on me

i also work in the security industry and have applied to work for prottective services

i have seen what this lot can do and i wil not sit back and let this lot mame or hurt inocent civilians

in a muslims eyes we are seen as their enemys

mohamed says this in the koran if a infidel repents and shows true repentance he or she is to be forgiven and left alone

muslims like osama bin laden and the ones on the most wanted list dont care and dont stick to what i noticed

it is not a peace full religon so please show some respect and dont atack other wise i wil have this topic shut and i wil send a pm message to one of the forums moderators i know and i wil mention to keep an eye on this topic and if it goes out off hand i wil ask them to shut it down so it cant be resurrected

the thunder the god of islam is not the god i know so dont attack those who you dont agree with

be cival and go over the forums rules

damo1

[pokemaughan]

Matthew 7:16

By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?

Matthew 7:17

Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.

Matthew 7:18

A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.

Matthew 7:20

Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

Matthew 21:43

"Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a nation who will produce its fruit.

Luke 6:44

Each tree is recognized by its own fruit. People do not pick figs from thornbushes, or grapes from briers.

jesus disagrees.

what are the fruits of the church though out history. millions killed in the name of jesus. John 15:21They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the One who sent me.

muslim do except jesus as the masiah and savior on the last day and await his return. just not as a HUMAN SACRFICE FOR SIN. muslims belive it's the message he brought that saves us.

also since they do reconize jesus and muslins do except his word they are justified!

Alright, so you've proved that a person (or church) that disobeys God produces rotten fruit. We all know this. (murder is a sin)

But anyways, you have to accept the sacrifice of Christ to be redeemed. You have to accept His blood being shed. Just as God accepted the shedding of blood of animal sacrifices, He had His Son make the ultimate sacrifice once and for all. Only God could make such a sacrifice (Jesus). To disregard that and count it as a 'common' thing is a terrible thing to do. 'Oh my, crucifying a human? How barbaric!!' Ya, and? That's how God paid for your sins. You can accept that or enjoy the alternative.

You can't take only a few of Jesus' teachings and throw out the rest. Sorry.

[damo1]

the way i see it when it comes to the thunder and the ones i have debated with is this they only listen to what they want to listen to and run christianity down it says seeker on his group usser that is what it says when i looked at the thunders title a seeker

what i say to guys like the thunder if they think islam is a peace ful religon try it out but i give them a warning the teachers and the scholars wil pull you up if they notice you doubt what the believe in and are teaching

they look for guys who wil die for there cause money is given to their familys right know in pakistan young pakistanis are being trained to committ acts of crime their are even suicide bombers ready to die for the fals god they have accepted as our god they dont even believe that jesus is a prophet or do they take heed to the warnings in the bible

when i began to do some digging on this religon i was able to see that they used some of the old testament laws to suit them selves like stonning and i can go on

guys like the thunder read the bible to get back at us they only read but if something ticks them off they ignore it they use the old testament against us to remind us what god did

with out realy getting to know god and seeing why god did what he did

the ones who join this lot are put to the test and if they spot that you are a coward you wil be pulled to the side and told to try out another religon

mohammed was a pedophile and today muslim men can marry young girls i mean why would a man who is in his 30 or 40 or 60 want a young girl who is only 8 or 5 yrs old as their wife

she is not even a grown women she is growing and is young but when it comes to the shariah law it does not put these guys in jail or on a sex offenders list

it is not a peace full religon know that i know my post has been ressurected and the thunder is a seeker i wil get more involved in this old post off mine

its not a peace full religon as some think it is

damo1

[pokemaughan]

good idea going over the rules. it;s ok for you to spead your muk but one someone puts you to the test mmm thats not allowed.

sounds kinda 1300ish

i'm an american . i guess i can't help it. it must have been my service in the army that makes me believe in freedom of speach.

What, are you afraid that we'll fight back against your assertions? Were you thinking we wouldn't be able to defend against things contrary to the Truth? Don't run off and give up just because we can defend what's right.

[Guest man]

The Thunder,

Are you muslim?

[damo1]

good idea going over the rules. it;s ok for you to spead your muk but one someone puts you to the test mmm thats not allowed.

sounds kinda 1300ish

Luke 6:35

i'm an american . i guess i can't help it. it must have been my service in the army that makes me believe in freedom of speach.

i guess this mean nothing Luke 6:35

But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.

the thunder

i read what you posted and added

if you want an argument go argue some were else

i wil only dialog with matture christians not immature christians like your self

so are you trying to tel me because you are an american i am to alow you to spread your rubbish in this topic ?

have you read the koran the thunders

we all have freedom of speech but i dont support what this lot is doing know not just in the philippines but in other countrys

and please no disrespect i also had a father and uncles who served as soilders in the croatian army

dont give me the old poor me speech

islam is not a peace full religon

if you want to dialog we wil dialog but if you want an argument i wil not bite to the way you want me to bite

damo1

[damo1]

the thunder

dont hide behind what you think you might know hang around and be matture if you tend to be childish i will not bite to the way you want me to

do you realy think this lot care about you or anyone living in america ?

hay i am croatian and i cop it from the serbs i get told how evil my people are i get told and reminded what my people had done in the pass

but when i talk to a serb and realy push home what realy happend in world war 2 and from 1992 to 1995 i am told i am an evil croatian

i have seen what evil men can do to a peace full people

right know the filapino president has ordered the philippines army to demolish this group abu sayiff

the american army has been training the filapino soilders abu sayiff has taken over saltan kudarat

my friend who is a youth pastor lives not far from sultan kudarat he told me they shot the mayor in front of the people and his family and his kids

they also are holding three red cross workers hostage

last month a filapino women who was captured by abu sayiff was able to escape so far she has been quiet and said nothing to the papers or has she told her story my fiance is going to send me the local paper from ormoc once she tells her story

go over the old testament and go over what god did to those who refused to acknowledge him

god had every right to prottect his people

iran wants to nuke israel

i wil dialog with you but i will not bite to the way you want me to

i said to you i read the koran and the hadiths and i nearly became a muslim

i also have muslim friends who i talk with and they are born again christians

i dont go on line or do i trust wiki and the other sites out their

islam is not a peace full religon the muslims want to rule our countrys

have you gone over shariah law have you read the koran

are you a convert

i was the one who told you to read the rules and if you dont show respect i wil have this old topic shut down

damo1

[Guest man]

The Thunder,

Are you muslim?

not yet i believe in the lord of abraham but not on a "path".

What do you mean by "path"?