Some questions about the Passion

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you sister,

Now, if you want to talk about weirdness - what was with that baby/imp Satan was carrying?

My wife asked me that as well.

My immediate impression was the sin of the world. The manifestation of said sin in a birth.

The Lord had said behold I go to make all things new.

Here was all the hatred and sin. Here was a manifestation of all that is the world and all that is not the New Birth of the Spirit.

Just my thoughts. Anyone else?

Peace,

Dave

[jmwhalen]

Adstar:

Thank you for your gracious words, thus fulfilling Galatians 6:10.

I, too, am a former "Roman", although I have not received my ex-communication papers as yet. I grew up in Manchester,Missouri and attended Roman Catholic grade school and Jesuit high school(St. Louis U. High). I was "religious" until about 6 years ago, when I heard the gospel of 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, and the LORD by His grace(Eph. 2:8.9) saved me. Regrettably, my parents and my 3 brothers and sister still are caught in the bondage which is the Roman Catholic Church. As stated previously, I understand that I can make no judgment as to their salvation. However, my heart grieves when I talk with them, or with "... them that are lost...."(2 Cor. 4:3), about their understanding of "...the redemption that is in Christ Jesus"(Romans 3:24).

In Christ,

John M. Whalen

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you brother Whalen,

Dr. Luke says:

"People are being convicted of their sin and giving their lives to Christ".

Dr. Luke-Are you saying that "giving your life to Christ" saves you? Please clarify. It seems you are, for you are "tieing" conviction and "giving your life to Christ. "Giving your life to Christ" is not the basis of one's salvation, nor will it save anyone, nor has anyone given their life to Christ. If they have, and "giving my life to Christ" is a prerequisite to salvation, please(anyone on the board) tell me how much of one's life must be "given" to Christ to be saved? 51%? 70%? 86.89%? Is 99.99% sufficient. Has anyone on this board "given their life to Christ" 100%? I know I haven't. This is not a false humility-it is the truth.

This is on the bottom of all my posts;

Paid for by the blood of the Lamb.

In red to remind me how I got here.

What happens after that is the fruit of your new life.

What point did their lives have prior to that?

What is the whole point of being Saved? But to Glorify the Lord with your very inheritence.

Or are you saved to just continue on with your life the way you see fit?

Why did the Lord create you?

Peace,

Dave

[whatsitmean]

Truthfully, I don't want to get into a big hairy debate over Catholicism.

I don't either, but I think it is important for people to understand what the Bible does and does NOT say.

I am quite sure that if we were to sit down with that film and pair of scissors and cut out everything that was not scriptural, what was left would not be much of a film.

Now, if you want to talk about weirdness - what was with that baby/imp Satan was carrying?

Someone on another board suggested that that was the Serpent

[jmwhalen]

Nebula-You write:

"Hey, John!

After reading what you just wrote - Do you think you can give an answer to Nebechadneza## on this thread?"

Could you provide me some "background" here? As Yogi Berra would say, "If you don't know where you are going, you'll end up somewhere else"!

Thnks for your request! John M. Whalen

[nebula]

Not much background. This guy just popped in with a few threads presenting different challenges. What you see in that thread is what you get. That's all I can say, really. Read the thread, and judge for yourself, I guess.

[mobile21]

i didn't say that all catholics are christians either, but i do want to say something here.... some catholics ARE christians!

LOL

I just luv when an anti-catholic just can't contain him/herself and explodes in nonsense !

[WayneB]

Just a few interjections --- (for what

[serotta]

You can see that I have not been here long, and have not posted much, but I wanted to add my thoughts. Remember that there is no resurection without the crucifixion. The crucifixion is incredibly important, and we need to remember daily the sacrifice that was made for us. We should always personally try to put our Savior on the Throne and ourselves upon the cross.

What I got most from this incredible film was an overwhelming feeling of "unworthyness", and a glimpse of the love that God would like to see us express. No one knows all the specifics of what transpired in those "12 hours". Did a beaten Christ fall while carrying the cross? I would think so. All the mothers here that have seen this film, were a mothers feelings accurately portrayed? I think so. Mary was chosen by God to bear His Son, so no, she is not just some everyday human like us.

Another thing that I saw and would like to relate it to all current day Christians is the literalist view that the Pharisees held. No one denomination today has everything correct. There will be Christians from so many denominations in Heaven! And conversely many "members" of all denominations in hell. We need to remember to keep the Law where it belongs in this new Covenant with Christ. The most important message is that God IS love. And I have a much better understanding of love after seeing Jesus in this film.

God Bless.

[jmwhalen]

Wayne Writes:

"Brother John Whalen --- excellent insights. Only one point of dissension --- I think you mistook the Gospel clich