Scandal Brews at Oral Roberts University

[Guest]

There's a few things we need to remember here, myself included.

The truth should come out when the suit goes to court. I don't think any attorney would think of filing something like that lawsuit unless he/she was reasonably certain they had enough proof to make it worthwhile.

One student was quoted in the article as moving to a different school because he didn't want the possible scandal tainting his degree and possibly his future. I don't blame him. Now that the news is out about this, its probably going to hurt a lot of people who are just trying to get their education. That stinks.

I'm going to keep an eye on things and see what develops.

It's really sad when this kind of thing breaks loose. I'm sure the world will love every minute of all the "dirty laundry". The church in America needs to clean up its act.

[OneLight]

Man is sinful. And a rich man can sin more because of their riches. Jesus said that it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle then it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of Heaven. Satan will tease us with a little lie, and if we believe one little lie, then we allow the lies to get bigger. I would like to believe that when they first came to Christ, they were sincere believers. Somewhere down the line, sin entered their heart and the seed grew.

We do have to bring this out in the open, very carefully. We all have the possibility to sin greatly and should use this as a reminder of how sin will destroy a walk, but not salvation. All Christians will have to stand before God and give account for their deeds, whether great or small. Even though what they did seems large, we need to remember that sin is sin. We should pray for our brothers and sisters, not publicly humiliate them. The world will do a good enough job all by themselves. Taking these offenses to the church body is one thing, but displaying our dirty laundry to the world is another, and should not be done.

Be careful of you choice of words.

Your Brother in Christ,

OneLight

edited to change the word "to" to "the"

Edited October 8, 2007 by OneLight

[Guest Biblicist]

Twenty years ago, televangelist Oral Roberts said he was reading a spy novel when God appeared to him and told him to raise $8 million for Roberts' university, or else he would be "called home."

I've never had God speak to me through a spy novel...Usually He speaks to me through His Word...

[Marnie]

I think we need to keep an eye on how this develops. At one time, I actually considered going to ORU; one of their programs back then was highly respected and of interest to me. Man is inherently sinful; I say that not just about the Roberts' but also about the press, and about students who may or may not have their own agenda.

[hr.jr.]

This thread is a classic demonstration of Christian attitude. Many christians sit back and look for an opportunity to judge other Christians. So many people on here actually are seething, hoping the allegations are true. They are not praying for their Christian brother in time of trouble. They are not waiting to see if the allegations are confirmed or refuted. They are sitting back as vultures, ready to tear the flesh of a wounded Christian brother. This thread is a classic example of christians waiting for their brother to stumble so they can jump on top of the brother and finish him off. What ever happened to helping our brother in need? We as Christians should uplift ans support our brother in his time of need. The attitude on here is almost sickening. So many on here obviously hope the allegations are true. There are many on here who most obviously would like to see O.R.U. cease to exist and the ministry of Richard Roberts crumble.

There are ministries I do not agree with. I pray for them, not sit back and wish for their demise. Recently a prominent Southern Baptist National Leader encouraged his members to pray for misfortunes and callamity to befall his enemies. He quoted some of David's prayers from the Psalms asking for destruction and dessimatio of his enemies. What was my attitude toward this minister? Pray for him. I do not want his ministry ruined. I want his ministry restored.

There are people on these boards that seem to harbor hate for their bretheren of different denominations. It sickens me that so many sit back waiting for their brother to stumble, so they can stick the knife in and twist it. I am by no means one who quotes "Judge not, lest ye be judged." That scripture is over used and taken way past its context. However, some Christians should realize that by the standard they judge other, so will they be judged. When the Christian that is always helping his brother, kind, loving, picking up his brother in need does stumble; people will treat him as he has treated them. When the self righteous hypocrite stumbles, his peers will be hoovering about; waiting to deliver the death blow.

[OneLight]

This thread is a classic demonstration of Christian attitude. Many christians sit back and look for an opportunity to judge other Christians. So many people on here actually are seething, hoping the allegations are true. They are not praying for their Christian brother in time of trouble. They are not waiting to see if the allegations are confirmed or refuted. They are sitting back as vultures, ready to tear the flesh of a wounded Christian brother. This thread is a classic example of christians waiting for their brother to stumble so they can jump on top of the brother and finish him off. What ever happened to helping our brother in need? We as Christians should uplift ans support our brother in his time of need. The attitude on here is almost sickening. So many on here obviously hope the allegations are true. There are many on here who most obviously would like to see O.R.U. cease to exist and the ministry of Richard Roberts crumble.

There are ministries I do not agree with. I pray for them, not sit back and wish for their demise. Recently a prominent Southern Baptist National Leader encouraged his members to pray for misfortunes and callamity to befall his enemies. He quoted some of David's prayers from the Psalms asking for destruction and dessimatio of his enemies. What was my attitude toward this minister? Pray for him. I do not want his ministry ruined. I want his ministry restored.

There are people on these boards that seem to harbor hate for their bretheren of different denominations. It sickens me that so many sit back waiting for their brother to stumble, so they can stick the knife in and twist it. I am by no means one who quotes "Judge not, lest ye be judged." That scripture is over used and taken way past its context. However, some Christians should realize that by the standard they judge other, so will they be judged. When the Christian that is always helping his brother, kind, loving, picking up his brother in need does stumble; people will treat him as he has treated them. When the self righteous hypocrite stumbles, his peers will be hoovering about; waiting to deliver the death blow.

I know what you are trying to say hr.jr, but you are also talking to yourself when you put it the way you did. We should all re-read what we post prior to hitting the "add reply" button.

[None]

This thread is a classic demonstration of Christian attitude. Many christians sit back and look for an opportunity to judge other Christians. So many people on here actually are seething, hoping the allegations are true. They are not praying for their Christian brother in time of trouble. They are not waiting to see if the allegations are confirmed or refuted. They are sitting back as vultures, ready to tear the flesh of a wounded Christian brother. This thread is a classic example of christians waiting for their brother to stumble so they can jump on top of the brother and finish him off. What ever happened to helping our brother in need? We as Christians should uplift ans support our brother in his time of need. The attitude on here is almost sickening. So many on here obviously hope the allegations are true. There are many on here who most obviously would like to see O.R.U. cease to exist and the ministry of Richard Roberts crumble.

There are ministries I do not agree with. I pray for them, not sit back and wish for their demise. Recently a prominent Southern Baptist National Leader encouraged his members to pray for misfortunes and callamity to befall his enemies. He quoted some of David's prayers from the Psalms asking for destruction and dessimatio of his enemies. What was my attitude toward this minister? Pray for him. I do not want his ministry ruined. I want his ministry restored.

There are people on these boards that seem to harbor hate for their bretheren of different denominations. It sickens me that so many sit back waiting for their brother to stumble, so they can stick the knife in and twist it. I am by no means one who quotes "Judge not, lest ye be judged." That scripture is over used and taken way past its context. However, some Christians should realize that by the standard they judge other, so will they be judged. When the Christian that is always helping his brother, kind, loving, picking up his brother in need does stumble; people will treat him as he has treated them. When the self righteous hypocrite stumbles, his peers will be hoovering about; waiting to deliver the death blow.

Bravo, it may be a little bold but that needed to be said.

[nebula]

Agreed - it's one thing to warn others of sin by "demonstration" - but flinging mud is another.

I wonder what happened to "There but for the grace of God go I."

Or better yet - who here has offered a prayer for those involved to repent and be restored?

[Guest]

For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Romans 12:3

Mercy LORD

Be Glorified

You Along Are Worthy

Amen

In Jesus

Love, Joe

[kari21]

Sorry, but I'm not supporting any preacher who will not repent after saying God wants cash or he's gonna "off" him.

Or live in multi-million dollar homes, with Rolls Royces and private jets, or spend millions on giant glass churches just for the ego-stroke, promising people that God is just waiting to bless them, but only if you buy a jar of annoited oil or some ragged prayer cloth, while people are hungry and homeless in the neighborhood next door.

But I guess to be "good Christians" we should just look the other way and shut up...