What day of the week should we go to church on?

[Smalcald]

That is correct Arthur; it is glaring by its absence.

Nothing about shellfish, pork or circumcision either except to say that all foods are clean and circumcision avails nothing one way or the other for a gentile.

[Vickilynn]

Jesus was, of course, Jewish. However He did indeed institute the CHRISTIAN Church in Acts Chapter Two composed of BOTH Jew & Gentile. No born-again Christian in the worldwide Church of Jesus Christ is ever commanded to observe Saturday, the Jewish seventh-day Sabbath anywhere after the commencement of said CHRISTIAN Church of twice-born men & women. In point of fact, the Jewish seventh-day Sabbath was specifically given to the LITERAL NATION OF ISRAEL three times in Exodus 20-23 - never once to the CHRISTIAN Church (which is NOT Israel). And too, failure to keep their seventh-day Sabbath even once would result in the death penalty!! HALP! Very interesting. BTW, a Sabbatarian is essentially one who holds to the Jewish seventh-day Sabbath whether a follower of Ellen Gould Harmon White of SDAism or not. Please don't major on a minor.

Shalom Arthur,

You are wrong, a Sabbatarian is not a Christian who observes the Sabbath, but rather they preach that it is a requirement. It is never minor when people post incorrectly and make false accusations they know nothing about.

Since I am not an SDA, nor is there SDA doctrine being posted, your comments are irrelevant and uncalled for.

Read Hebrews 4. "THERE REMAINS A SABBATH REST FOR G-D's PEOPLE..." Are you not one of G-d's people? If you are, then you should consider that the Sabbath remains.

Hebrews 4

9 So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, 10 for whoever has entered God

[Vickilynn]

Are not the Ten Commandments Mosaic Law? Are we free from them?

Shalom Smalcald,

Oh dear. You are grasping at straws.

The 10 commandments are definitely how we should live.

However, the 4th commandment does not say HOW to observe, the Law does. And, as I have pointed out repeatedly, we are not under the Law. You really need to grasp that, or you will never be free from this bondage stuff.

Where in Genesis is the word Sabbath mentioned? You claim scripture but I am not seeing anything to support your contentions on this.

Then you're not reading it with an open heart.

Genesis 2 plainly states the institution of the Sabbath. What IS the Sabbath? It is the 7th day rest.

3So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation.

Scipture however IS clear about how to observe the Sabbath, I mean it is a commandment after all right?

Nope, not right. It is no longer a commandment.

Here is the text of Genesis 2

Genesis 2 has nothing to do with Sabbath observance.

You're wrong, sorry. It tells us why and how. G-d is our example. And it PREDATES Mosaic Law.

Regardless of what you think, the bottom line Smalcald is that you are judging those who observe the Sabbath in ways that YOU don't agree with. Please read the above Scriptures in Romans 14 and you will see that itself is the sin here.

[Vickilynn]

Yes. They're repated time & again for Israel. Nine of the ten are repeated in one form or another in the New Testament for the Ch7urch of Jesus Christ. Guess which one isn't repeated for the Church of Jesus Christ!

Shalom,

Guess you haven't read Hebrews 4 then? And guess Jesus is not your example?

[Vickilynn]

Shalom Smalcald and Arthur,

You can post all day long about the Law and you are missing the whole spirit of the Sabbath and that is a shame. I have tried to share the truth, but you both are not interested in anything other than criticizing G-d's people and that is a sin. But you know, this is a tired old argument and it really boils down to you two need to stop judging G-d's people in their walk. Romans 14.

No one is saying here that you SHOULD keep the Sabbath, but you both have the chutzpah to judge those who do observe the day as unto the L-rd. Shame on you!! Read Romans 14.

[Vickilynn]

Shalom Smalcald and Arthur,

You both will simply think what you want and this is fine. I thought at one point this was a DISCUSSION, but now I see it is not.

So, whatever you think about my walk is between you and G-d. I am not bothered one bit that you think I am wrong, since The Scriptures give me the FREEDOM in Yeshua to do this as unto Him, regardless of your critical judgement and false accusations.

This is my last post and one that prayerfully will sink in. But if not, so be it. It's between you and G-d.

[Arthur Durnan]

Dear VickiLynn: Let's see now.....we don't agree with your call to go back toward Moses & The Judaic Covenant, so therefore you get a bit mad with us. Well, it sure sounds like it. We're this & we're that; we don't understand you, it's not a discussion, on into the nite. Actually I'm quite disappointed that you fail to deal biblically with Old Testament Moses & Judaism as opposed to the New Testament Church of Jesus Christ initiated by the Risen Savior in Acts Chapter Two. Israel is hardly the Christian Church. Nevertheless, bottom line, God loves you & so do we.

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[Redefine_Me]

Dear VickiLynn: Let's see now.....we don't agree with your call to go back toward Moses & The Judaic Covenant, so therefore you get a bit mad with us. Well, it sure sounds like it. We're this & we're that; we don't understand you, it's not a discussion, on into the nite. Actually I'm quite disappointed that you fail to deal biblically with Old Testament Moses & Judaism as opposed to the New Testament Church of Jesus Christ initiated by the Risen Savior in Acts Chapter Two. Israel is hardly the Christian Church. Nevertheless, bottom line, God loves you & so do we.

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I think we should be careful in these discussions not to disrespect and judge someone for still entering into a Sabbath rest. Arthur, I respect your view, and understand it, that there is no longer a requirement to keep the Sabbath, but honestly, how can you say there is anything WRONG with keeping the Sabbath and accepting that rest that God so generously gave? I think it is important to acnowledge that resting in God on the Sabbath is not wrong. You may feel that you are free from being required to keep the Sabbath, but that does not mean it is wrong to do so.

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Confess And Believe

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Romans 10:9-10

And Be Patient

Because Here Comes The Judge

Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.

Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.

Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door.

James 5:7-9

Let's see now.....we don't agree with your call to go back toward Moses & The Judaic Covenant, so therefore you get a bit mad with us. Well, it sure sounds like it. We're this & we're that; we don't understand you, it's not a discussion, on into the nite. Actually I'm quite disappointed that you fail to deal biblically with Old Testament Moses & Judaism as opposed to the New Testament Church of Jesus Christ initiated by the Risen Savior in Acts Chapter Two. Israel is hardly the Christian Church. Nevertheless, bottom line, God loves you & so do we.

I'm Confused (Not Usual)

So Please Forgive Me If I Fail To Get It (Not The First Time)

Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

Philippians 2:3

She Says....

Obey God's Word And Best Regards

Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Romans 14:4-6

He Says....

God Loves You But I Am Quite Disappointed In Your Jewishness

Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.

James 4:11

The Lord Says....

It Is My Sign Between Me And My Israel Forever

It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Exodus 31:7

And My Word Will Stand

Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Mark 24:35

So Where Does My Dear Sister Turn When She Needs God's Paladin

THE MAN Of Course

Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

Hebrews 13:5

Can't Puzzle All This Stuff Out

See Jesus

Believe

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:16

And Be Blessed Beloved

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

Love, Your Brother Joe

[Smalcald]

You can post all day long about the Law and you are missing the whole spirit of the Sabbath and that is a shame. I have tried to share the truth, but you both are not interested in anything other than criticizing G-d's people and that is a sin. But you know, this is a tired old argument and it really boils down to you two need to stop judging G-d's people in their walk. Romans 14.

I am not interested in criticizing God's people we just disagree. I also don't judge you. But I must say that I find that your position is inconsistent. I think it is fine to hold out one day as special and meditate on the Lord and it is beautiful that the day to do that is also the Day the Lord ordained as the Sabbath.

But this is not Sabbath observance as shown in scripture, and you are not "keeping" the Sabbath in any way by doing that. You are not fulfilling the fourth commandment by doing that. It is simply something that you choose to do. It is much like praying in the morning versus praying at lunch, it is all good, but one time is no better or worse than another and has nothing to do with any of the commandments.

The problem is that some who are unschooled in scripture may think that they somehow are keeping the law and the commandments by going to church on Saturday instead of Sunday. As long as we both agree that it is simply a personal choice I am fine with it. But obviously if it is a personal choice it is nothing like the other commandments.

If it is truly a commandment that Christians under the New Covenant must follow than it is indeed sin to work on the Sabbath as spelled out in the Ten Commandments, but of course very few Christians even those who choose to worship on Saturday really believe that because in their heart they know it is not true.

But if you talk to an Orthodox Jew, he or she would say indeed it is a grave sin to work on the Sabbath and would refuse to do so under any circumstance.