Alcholism and Sin

[damo1]

damo1

1 corinthian 10 the beleivers freedom

23 Everything is permisable but not everything is benifical Everything is permisable but not everythin is constructive

24 no body should seek his own good but the good of others

24 eat everyhting sold in the meat market with out rasing questions of concscience

25 for the earth is the lords and everything is in it

read the hole of 1 corinthians 10 or you can read from verse 23 =33

this is all paul even instructs us on and does not say we should avoide this do not let no one confuse you as their are plenty of them about i do not judge those christians i know who drink and they in the same respect help me in my own recovery

so i hope this has helped

Dear damo,

To omit the 1st portion of 1 Corinthians 10, is very dangerous! You need to be sure and heed the warning that was given there, BEFORE you start promoting believer's freedoms!

1 Cor. 10:1 For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers, that our forefathers were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. 2 They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. 3 They all ate the same spiritual food 4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. 5 Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered over the desert.

6 Now these things occurred as examples to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did. 7 Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: "The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in pagan revelry." 8 We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did--and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died. 9 We should not test the Lord, as some of them did--and were killed by snakes. 10 And do not grumble, as some of them did--and were killed by the destroying angel. 11 These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages has come. 12 So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don't fall! 13 No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it. 14 Therefore, my dear friends, flee from idolatry.

15 I speak to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say.

In His Love,

Suzanne

damo1

thanks tsth but i know of a lot of other christians that wil disagree with this and i know of also pastors that wil disagree as well i stated that i gave this up for my own reasons and since i have been a christian i have met a lot that do not see this as a sin only if its a problem to some one than they should seek help like i did by going into willam booth and staying there for 12months this is what i said it should be a personal issue as paul would have challanged the belivers in his time when he was walking the earth and preaching the gospel as i am sure even paul ran into christias that drank alcahol ?

yes i can see tsth what you are saying in the scriptures pointed out but paul says if some invites you into their home and offers you food you eat this and i feel that even means alcahol but if it is to worship a false god or idol worship which paul warns us to stay very well away from this and use your commensence

i under stand these passages very wel as the salvation army that runs willam booth pointed this to those that wear christians but to those that could not see god as a higher power they wear given the AA book that i have with also the NA book as well as the devotional with the christian version to the twelve steps

so this is wear i said it should be a personal thing as there are too many saying that while you are a christian walking in the faith it is ok to drink alcahol

but for me this is dangerous to get back into and that is why i said make sure that you do not become a stumbling block while walking in your freedom

i even know christians in the town i live in that drink alcahol while the foot ball season is on rugby nrl or rugby union thank you tsth but i am on the other side on this issue as i have seen wear its created division and that is why i do not judge those that i know who do drink and those that live in this town that know me dont put obsticles in my path they make sure that their are plenty of soft drinks for me to drink while i am with my brothers watching foot ball

may god bless you from damien

[tsth]

Which has greater authority, our opinion, OR God's Word?

In His Love,

Suzanne

[tsth]

1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Galatians 5:19 The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

(We need to clarify, what IS a drunkard? And are we being real honest about it?) Note the term, "those who LIVE LIKE THIS.

In His Love,

Suzanne

[kat8585]

I believe if you die while in the midst of a struggle with any sin, you will go to heaven. We are all struggling with some sin at all times, at least I am. The point is, are you asking God's help and trying to get the sin out of your life or just indulging the sin? We can't work our way to heaven, but we can't just indulge sin, either.

It sounds to me like you are asking if we had to have conquered every sin and be perfect, and that will never be the case this side of heaven.

[damo1]

damo1

to tsth

gods word has more athority but its some thing i stay clear of as i am in no position to take the plank out of my brothers eyes as i take heed to the warning jesus gives out in matthew on judging

Juding others

Matthew 7

do not judge or you to wil be judged

2 for in the same way you judge others you will be judged and with the measure you use it will be measured to you

3 why do you look at the speck of saw dust in your brothers eyes and pay no attention to the plank in your your own eyes

4 how can you say to your brother let me take the the speck out of your eye when all the time there is a plank in your own eye

how i wish it was so simple to wear people would see this but as i said this is what creats division instead of drawing us together

i am the type of guy that wishes the goverment hear in my country would have the guts to shut down all pubs all clubs and ban alcahol all together

many pick on smokers but many do not see tha damage alcahol does not just to a person but also to a family i have seen what this did to my own father and those that i have gotten to know close and i have seen what alcahol does in the comunity i live in yet no one has the guts to say enough is enough and make a stand

when the adds started to come out on tv to wear it was saying smoking kills to the point wear this main lobby group was starting to push even laws to wear this was not allowed in your own home or in your own car on the way to work it got on my nerves to the point wear i wrote a letter and i got no reply as i stated what i thought and called them a bunch of cowards and said its so simple to pick on people that smoke and hear you have a big problem and that is alcahol

it destroys not just the adults but also the young and i run into too many young people hear in the town i live in drunk on a friday and saturday night we run a comunity foot patrol for the younger youth of this town as a lot of the youth i have gotten to know on out reach i care for each and every single young person we had run a cross a young 14yr old vomiting blood after a night of heavy drinking and tsth if you wear hear and saw what i saw i am sure you would have reacted

we have had two big brawls wear i live and i was in the midle helping not just the police but working in line with the other out reach workers

i am praying that my goverment has the guts to put a stop to alachol all together being sold as they are pushing smokers to quit and i feel this is wrong

that is why i said to you i am on the other side as christians i know see this as not a big problem to repent of

but as i said to you for me it is a big problem and i do not alow my flesh to fall pray to the enemys tricks iam against this but what can you do ?

i agree with you but god needs to show those that think its ok its wrong and this is why i do not force my views on those i know that drink i keep it to my self

may the lord bles you from damien

[Smalcald]

Both sides are correct on this.

Defeating individual sin will not gain our salvation, because we cannot make ourselves without sin. However those who consent to sin, who live in sin, who have a carnal mind, as Suzanne has shown in scripture will not inherit the Kingdom of heaven. Serious business.

So an alcoholic or anyone who is wrestling with a particular sin, who in their mind does not totally consent to sin is saved by Christ through faith. The faith that we already have, gives us a will to struggle against sin. The struggle against sin does not give us faith, so cannot save us. God does not want us to be drunk, does not want us to abuse alcohol, so we must try to gain freedom through His Word, and that may indeed guide us to a recovery program.

But we must have sympathy and compassion for those who struggle with addiction, because it is a hard hard thing. The key in my mind from scripture is that we struggle; the struggle itself is what is important. But if we recognize sin, if we are sorry for our sin, Christ will as promised forgive us our sins. Without faith, we won

[tsth]

Both sides are correct on this.

Defeating individual sin will not gain our salvation, because we cannot make ourselves without sin. However those who consent to sin, who live in sin, who have a carnal mind, as Suzanne has shown in scripture will not inherit the Kingdom of heaven. Serious business.

So an alcoholic or anyone who is wrestling with a particular sin, who in their mind does not totally consent to sin is saved by Christ through faith. The faith that we already have, gives us a will to struggle against sin. The struggle against sin does not give us faith, so cannot save us. God does not want us to be drunk, does not want us to abuse alcohol, so we must try to gain freedom through His Word, and that may indeed guide us to a recovery program.

But we must have sympathy and compassion for those who struggle with addiction, because it is a hard hard thing. The key in my mind from scripture is that we struggle; the struggle itself is what is important. But if we recognize sin, if we are sorry for our sin, Christ will as promised forgive us our sins. Without faith, we won

[Smalcald]

Drinking one beer or a glass of wine with a meal does not bother me and certainly it is not a sin. However we should not do it around those who have an alcohol addiction however and we must not be drunk. If we can't do that, we should not drink alcohal at all.

[Ovedya]

Yes. We still become heavenly.

[kat8585]

Drinking one beer or a glass of wine with a meal does not bother me and certainly it is not a sin. However we should not do it around those who have an alcohol addiction however and we must not be drunk. If we can't do that, we should not drink alcohal at all.

Personally, I theink it's safer to never take the first drink. You don't find out you are an alcoholic and can't stop til you take the first drink.