Homosexual marriage

[papasangel]

And yet...........................no real answer to lovinghim4ever's question! Divorce is rampant in the church yet it is glossed over, people who committed adultry, divorce and marry the person they commited adultry with attend service as a couple and its okay...................but just mention homosexual's and the big guns come out.............hyporoacy!

I have to agree with you. Divorce is not treated as harshly as homosexuality but I have learned that people will throw stones at others just to take the focus off themselves. I wish before couples were allowed to marry they have to go through a series of classes and counseling so that they would enter marriage with open eyes and not just with their emotions. It would cut down the divorce rate.

[Guest lovinghim4ever]

And yet...........................no real answer to lovinghim4ever's question! Divorce is rampant in the church yet it is glossed over, people who committed adultry, divorce and marry the person they commited adultry with attend service as a couple and its okay...................but just mention homosexual's and the big guns come out.............hyporoacy!

I have to agree with you. Divorce is not treated as harshly as homosexuality but I have learned that people will throw stones at others just to take the focus off themselves. I wish before couples were allowed to marry they have to go through a series of classes and counseling so that they would enter marriage with open eyes and not just with their emotions. It would cut down the divorce rate.

[MeCajunboy]

We first should be vocal about divorce. We first should be vocal about purity. We first should be vocal about loving God wholly before we can be vocal about anything else.

why should we put a pecking order on sin? we should preach the whole gospel equally.

oh, and wouldn't speaking out against homosexuality fall in the category of being vocal about purity?

Honestly Sis, I think you know what I as speaking of. I'm not saying a pecking order. What I am saying is that we first should deal with the things that afflict the Body of Christ. When we begin to honor God in our commitment in marriage, when we begin to teach our children properly about remaining pure before God then other things will follow.

But how do we honor and teach these things. As I stated in what you quoted. It is when we are "vocal" about loving God wholly before we can be vocal about anything else.

And too, the evil thing about sins as Adultery and Homosexuality and stealing for instance, is that they normally lead to more and more added sin, and not the opposite. (Ex. A man or woman who lives with another of his/her sex may want to be "married." And God is also clear on who can marry and not. Then they may want to adopt or have children of their own. So one of the sexes has to go outside the relationship to seek a viable companion.) And so on and so on. I've encountered a community of people who live as homosexual yet they claim to have a no relationship with the anyone. They only choose to live single and enjoy the company of the other. I have to admit, God says nothing wrong about these types of relationships, because Jesus basically did this very thing with HIS diciples. But I do warn anyone who decides to travel life with these intentions, God knows your heart and only God knows if you're deceiving HIM or yourself. And if you are, that would be sin as well. You know, people seem to want answers and solutions from all of life from us, as Christians. And all I can tell them is to SEEK GOD FOR THEMSELVES. I cannot seek God for YOU. And God wants a personal relationship with you that will not be revealed to anyone else but YOU. Their relationships are held personal for their own selves with God. What I'm saying is that God may have a slightly different response for your problem as HE does for mine, because yours may be slightly different or more or less complicated.

[lupins_girl]

Hi,

I am a Christian and I believe in God. I think that the Bible tells us homosexuality is a sin and therefore not something we should be doing, supporting or encouraging others to do. As a Christian, I feel like it's only fair for me to be expected to follow God's rules for my life and not to start doing something the Bible plainly says not to do. Since I have free will and can make choices for myself, I choose to follow God on this issue.

However, I don't think God appointed Christians as the moral guardians for the whole world and I don't think it is our place to judge others or force them to comply with what we believe is right. All people are given free will, and what they do with it is between them and God. Since we are all sinners and we all end up making mistakes and sinning, we aren't perfect and therefore I don't think we can seriously think we are in a position to tell others how to live their lives. What we can do for others is pray, but we can't control them. Therefore, I think that Christians should probably stop protesting secular, legal gay marriage. I don't think any church should be required to accomodate a gay wedding and no Christian or clergy should have to go to a gay marriage, but as long as it's purely legal and secular, I don't think we should stop it either. We cannot stop others from sinning. Preventing gay marriage won't make people stop being homosexual, only God can do that. So, I think we should permit gay marriage because at least hopefully that might slow down AIDs and STDs and stuff, if some of these people become monogamous. That's the way I see it anyway.

[Scarletprayers]

And yet...........................no real answer to lovinghim4ever's question! Divorce is rampant in the church yet it is glossed over, people who committed adultry, divorce and marry the person they commited adultry with attend service as a couple and its okay...................but just mention homosexual's and the big guns come out.............hyporoacy!

I have to agree with you. Divorce is not treated as harshly as homosexuality but I have learned that people will throw stones at others just to take the focus off themselves. I wish before couples were allowed to marry they have to go through a series of classes and counseling so that they would enter marriage with open eyes and not just with their emotions. It would cut down the divorce rate.

I agree, but, I also think a divorce should be harder to get than it is......................its the easy way out, usually for selfish people who don't want to put effort into making it work. Not all mind you, I'm not insane and realize there are some cases where there is no other option. But, I keep hearing more and more, if it doesn't work, we'll just get divorced.......well going into it with that attitude, I would be willing to bet...you will!

[kitty1]

What about Jesus? Did he not die for our sins, Yes it's a sin to have unnatural relations, but smoking or drugs or people that over eat is a sin to the temple of God, and I can't beleive one would lose their salvation for not gaining victory over strongholds.

I thought if you had and have a heart for Jesus and proclaim him (choose him as your savior)

Nothing can remove you from his hand.

It's a fallen world and Jesus would not leave those who in there hearts love him and choice him behind. Nothing can seperate us. Right?

What about Paul? He hated doing what he did, but did it, awaringly.

Can you not acknowledge that it's a sin and hate it but be in love and wish and pray it was different.

I hear what you are saying and when Christ returns we will all still be strugling with sin.

I love Jesus and there are still many stronghold I have. I will not be sinnless or perfect when he returns, and that is in where my hope lies, that when I am with him, I will have perfect victory.

[Guest lovinghim4ever]

I don't think God appointed Christians as the moral guardians for the whole world and I don't think it is our place to judge others or force them to comply with what we believe is right. All people are given free will, and what they do with it is between them and God. Since we are all sinners and we all end up making mistakes and sinning, we aren't perfect and therefore I don't think we can seriously think we are in a position to tell others how to live their lives. What we can do for others is pray, but we can't control them . . . We cannot stop others from sinning. Preventing gay marriage won't make people stop being homosexual, only God can do that.

Good points!

NO ONE likes being BULLIED into doing something they don't want to do.

And, NO ONE likes being FORCED into what they should and should not believe.

NO ONE, but GOD, has the right to tell anyone how they can and cannot live.

Imperfect man is certainly not the perfect example to follow.

[Guest LadyC]

preventing gay marriage won't stop homosexuals from committing homosexual acts. but it does preserve the sanctity of MARRIAGE. this isn't a "control their behaviour" issue, it's a "stand up for the traditional family and Godly values while we still have a voice" issue.

it has nothing to do with bullying anyone into proper behaviour. we're not going up to them saying "i'm gonna beat you up if you have sex with another man, or with another woman". we're saying "we won't let you SILENCE US. we won't let you BULLY US into accepting your deviance or into teaching our children that your behaviour is equal in the eyes of God."

[Guest LadyC]

unfortunately, no they don't (have the most control over what their children learn).

has it been so long since you yourself was an impressionable child or teen, thoughtful? i know you don't have kids, but it hasn't been many years since you were one, so surely you understand that children are bombarded 24/7 with images, advertisements, politically correct and ungodly influences, school districts with a humanistic approach and unbiblical agenda, and this brainwashes them into going with the flow and not thinking things are so bad, regardless of what their parents try to instill in them. not necessarily because their parents are doing a bad job, either. some parents do a horrible job because they aren't firmly planted on God's word themselves. other parents are strongly rooted in their faith, and it doesn't matter. kids still grow up believing that God's word is archaic, or their parents are "reading the Bible wrong". they grow up believing that God does not REALLY condemn homosexuality, or that God doesn't REALLY condemn sexual promiscuity, or that God doesn't REALLY this or that.... it all becomes moral relativism. and if parents refuse to take a stand for God's word in the public arena, their kids are REALLY doomed.

how many things did your parents try to instill in you regarding morality that you now think they were incorrect about? or even if you didn't think they were wrong entirely, you still developed a laissez faire attitude about?

[Scarletprayers]

unfortunately, no they don't (have the most control over what our children learn).

has it been so long since you yourself was an impressionable child or teen, thoughtful? i know you don't have kids, but it hasn't been many years since you were one, so surely you understand that children are bombarded 24/7 with images, advertisements, politically correct and ungodly influences, and this brainwashes them into going with the flow and not thinking things are so bad, regardless of what their parents try to instill in them. not necessarily because their parents are doing a bad job, either. some parents do a horrible job because they aren't firmly planted on God's word themselves. other parents are strongly rooted in their faith, and it doesn't matter. kids still grow up believing that God's word is archaic, or their parents are "reading the Bible wrong". they grow up believing that God does not REALLY condemn homosexuality, or that God doesn't REALLY condemn sexual promiscuity, or that God doesn't REALLY this or that.... it all becomes moral relativism.

how many things did your parents try to instill in you regarding morality that you now think they were incorrect about? or even if you didn't think they were wrong entirely, you still developed a laissez faire attitude about?