The Rapture Is Coming, (Watch ye) therefore

[OneLight]

"...could mean..."

Yea, since it has not happened yet, and the timing of the rapture is not clear, everything is basically a guess, or in other words, "could mean".

[Ovedya]

God told Noah to build an ark before the great flood to protect him and his family Genesis 6:14, 7:1 before God's wrath fell on the wicked of those days; God spared Lot and his immediate family before Sodom was destroyed under God's wrath by sending an angel to warn Lot:

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God did not secretly rapture them off the earth, and there is nothing at all in scripture that says he will do so with the saints during the tribulation period. It simply is not the biblical pattern of God's way of protecting His own.

I'm glad that you brought these two examples up, Toni.

Because...

Noah was saved from God's wrath in the ark, which is a type of the church. He was literally "buoyed above" God's judgment of the wicked. Therefore he was "kept from the hour of trial"

Lot was brought out of Sodom before God's judgment of that city by the angels who are a type of Christ. He and his family (with exception to his wife who typifies the foolish virgins, or the believers who are fallen away again to the world) were "kept from the hour of trial."

So actually, these are two typical patterns of how God protects His own. Noah was kept from the hour of trial. Lot was kept from the hour of trial. Neither of them suffered through God's judgments.

[Ovedya]

God told Noah to build an ark before the great flood to protect him and his family Genesis 6:14, 7:1 before God's wrath fell on the wicked of those days; God spared Lot and his immediate family before Sodom was destroyed under God's wrath by sending an angel to warn Lot:

...

God did not secretly rapture them off the earth, and there is nothing at all in scripture that says he will do so with the saints during the tribulation period. It simply is not the biblical pattern of God's way of protecting His own.

I'm glad that you brought these two examples up, Toni.

Because...

Noah was saved from God's wrath in the ark, which is a type of the church. He was literally "buoyed above" God's judgment of the wicked. Therefore he was "kept from the hour of trial"

Lot was brought out of Sodom before God's judgment of that city by the angels who are a type of Christ. He and his family (with exception to his wife who typifies the foolish virgins, or the believers who are fallen away again to the world) were "kept from the hour of trial."

So actually, these are two typical patterns of how God protects His own. Noah was kept from the hour of trial. Lot was kept from the hour of trial. Neither of them suffered through God's judgments.

Exactly, Ovedya. I am confident that God will protect those who are His and doing His will, until the time comes for the catching away of all the saints to meet the Lord in the air after the tribulation of those days.

Okay. But wouldn't that be contrary to the pattern which you mentioned? Biblically, what way will God protect those that are doing His will until the time comes for the catching away of the saints?

[patricia1]

We have so many examples of God protecting His people throughout the word of God that we should not be asking such a question?

I am not a pretribulation person but I am also not here to prove otherwise.

We should be making sure that we are ready for Jesus' return at anytime as well has have the faith to go through tribulation even if we don't go through it.

I see Revelations as a twofold revelation. I find it incredible that the vision given was as much as for Johns time as well for our time, and as well to the individual person who believes.

People some times look at revelations as the unvieling of the antichrist, but I see it opposite. More of Jesus shining victoriously and all those who are in Him will do the same regardless.

There are at least 500 references to the old testament in Hebrews , revelation and the other books.

In chapter 2:17 of revelations for instance God talks about the 'white stone'... the overcomer will get it.

What is this white stone signify.

Unless you know that white signified forgiveness the ear to hear may be sl. deafened.

If someone from a tribe commits a crime which should end up with the death penalty but has payed that tribe sufficiently for the crime committed the person was put in a white tent with a large white stone to show everyone the price has been payed and he is forgiven.

As far as am I concerned for me continuing in my walk with the Lord til He decides when My end is, I am a overcomer.

Hey can anybody tell me about the Lost hebrew tribe?

something else I think about and do not hear much about it.

Well anyways I thank for your answers when I ask, ya know taking the time out for me.

I also see Revelations as a backward unraveling of Genesis. See ya guys later.

patricia1

[Ovedya]

how did you become so indoctrinated?

ever ask yourself that?

Again and again many have given you scripture after scripture and yet you refuse God's word.

I've refuted every one of your false and simplistic arguments, which demonstrate your ignorance of the text, and still you rail on with the same tired rhetoric, repeating the same tired arguments again and again and accusing everyone else of being "blind"

Revelation 3:10 seals the fact that God protects his people it says nothing about a pretrib rapture

the "hour of trial that will come upon the entire WORLD" in context can ONLY refer to the Tribulation...PERIOD! you're simply wrong, and you will be proven wrong

Also Paul taught of a post trib rapture

false...no basis provided, as usual

Sad people like you really take the cake,nothing the bible says even matters to you.

This is rhetorical speech. Be careful.

[patricia1]

First of all the accusations here will lead to a closed thread. No One....NO ONE knows the hour that Jesus cometh, and no one has any idea when and if we actually go through the tribulation.

Nor if rapture occurs when it will be.

Does one think they can settle this which has not been settled for a thousand years or more?

if one cannot respect anothers viewpoint just say you disagree or one becomes as clanging brass which Paul discusses.

Most siblings have arguments but if you find youself gettng heated, go to the Lord Jesus...after excusing yourself.....patricia1

[Ovedya]

First of all the accusations here will lead to a closed thread. No One....NO ONE knows the hour that Jesus cometh, and no one has any idea when and if we actually go through the tribulation.

Nor if rapture occurs when it will be.

Does one think they can settle this which has not been settled for a thousand years or more?

if one cannot respect anothers viewpoint just say you disagree or one becomes as clanging brass which Paul discusses.

Most siblings have arguments but if you find youself gettng heated, go to the Lord Jesus...after excusing yourself.....patricia1

YES!

Let's keep in mind that these are opinions based upon Scripture, not essential doctrines.

[eric]

How can the "hour of trial" equate to three and a half years of the tribulation period or even seven years as some claim?.........very strange. Is the Revelation supposed to be taken, literally, figuratively. metaphorically or what. Frankly I think some are just taking a wild stab at the events and acting like school children when responding to each other.

[eric]

HI WordofTruth, How did you come to the conclusion that the "hour of trial" is just a term used in your reply as in this,

it's simply another way of stating a very brief period of time, seven years is nothing on God's timescale

If God had meant for a short time I would think he would have said so as he did when He said that satan would be loosed for a little season, in Rev 20:3. Every where else God is specific about His time, as Toni pointed out, right down to the last day as in Rev.3.

The same as in Rev.20:6, when He said we would reign as priests with Him for a thousamd years. To me, at least, that means a thousand years. not a consderable time. Furthermore seven years may be any length of time on God's timetable, but He was referring to the future earthly time table when John was penning the Revelation. Still I could be way out. If anybody really knew exactly when, we wouldn't be here debating it I guess.

cheers.

[Isa]

How can the "hour of trial" equate to three and a half years of the tribulation period or even seven years as some claim?.........very strange. Is the Revelation supposed to be taken, literally, figuratively. metaphorically or what. Frankly I think some are just taking a wild stab at the events and acting like school children when responding to each other.

The hour of trial is the same as the seven week period in Daniel 9:27

Daniel 9:27

27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;

But in the middle of the week

He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.

And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,

Even until the consummation, which is determined,

Is poured out on the desolate.