Stop Sinning?

[Guest shiloh357]

J.N., that was excellent, thanks!!

[jehovah Nissi]

J.N., that was excellent, thanks!!

Your welcome and Thank you shiloh

[ted]

Paul said: "Reckon yourselves indeed dead to sin....." however most Christians talk constantly about how they STRUGGLE WITH SIN!

Stop lying, and tell the TRUTH of God's Word: "The old man is dead with Christ in Baptism, and we are RAISED IN NEWNESS OF LIFE!!!" As soon as you set your mouth to speak God's word instead of 'prophesying falsely' concerning these things, you will find your struggle against sin ceases, and you simply 'live' in RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Ted, are you trying to say that a Christian can live a life without ever sinning?

Me? No, not at all.

You quoted Leonard here,, so I'm not sure if your question is directed toward me or him.

But, I'll say that no, we cannot live a life without ever sinning. But, if we put our beliefs into practice more often, we could sure sin a lot less.

That's what I meant by my original comment back on page1.

t.

[kari21]

You quoted Leonard here,, so I'm not sure if your question is directed toward me or him

Oops! Sorry....guess you were just on my mind at the time, sweet-thang!

[Fraught]

i don't agree with the logic that says being sinless leaves out opportunity for repentance. imo, it's the opposite. if we accept that sin is ok in our lives, we will tend to shrug our shoulders over it and go on.

why know what the goal is if you're not even going to try and live up to it because someone tells you it isn't possible? again, imo we are commanded to try and to improve yet repentance is there if we fail. i intentionally did not say when we fail because why begin with a negative goal? it doesn't make sense.

the assumption of failure in this regard can lead to a lot of problems, i think. for example: why should i quit swearing today if God has said it's impossible? why should i not tell a little lie today to get me out trouble when i will probably just tell a little lie later on in the month anyway?

i hope you can at least understand where i'm coming from even if you don't agree.

[Guest shiloh357]

i don't agree with the logic that says being sinless leaves out opportunity for repentance. imo, it's the opposite. if we accept that sin is ok in our lives, we will tend to shrug our shoulders over it and go on.

why know what the goal is if you're not even going to try and live up to it because someone tells you it isn't possible? again, imo we are commanded to try and to improve yet repentance is there if we fail. i intentionally did not say when we fail because why begin with a negative goal? it doesn't make sense.

the assumption of failure in this regard can lead to a lot of problems, i think. for example: why should i quit swearing today if God has said it's impossible? why should i not tell a little lie today to get me out trouble when i will probably just tell a little lie later on in the month anyway?

i hope you can at least understand where i'm coming from even if you don't agree.

The problem here is that you are trying to refute an argument that has not been raised. Essentially it is a straw man that you are erecting. No one has asserted anything close to what you have alleged. The point is that all of us sin. None of us want to. We struggle against sin, sometimes we win sometimes we lose. Admitting the truth about the struggle is not the same as saying sin is ok or that we have accepted sin in our lives. It is not an assumption of failure.

The truth is that even if a person kept every commandment in the scriptures everyday, the problem of the sin nature still exists and has not been eradicated from the Christian. That is why we continue to struggle. Even if you keep every commandment, your performance is still tainted by your sin nature. You cannot keep the commandments without the stain of sin. The ONLY person who kept God's commandments perfectly without the stain of sin was Jesus. The Bible holds NOT ONE person including ANY of the apostles as having lived in sinless perfection. If anything the Bible continues to demonstrate the weaknesses of Paul, Peter and other beleivers.

[hotair]

So how do you rectify the comment "All sin and fall short of the glory of God"

I am not saying no one has never sinned ....but Jesus Christ ...but Paul ask the question shall we continue in sin? Paul also states we are dead to sin.. if so why would christians continue living according to the old sin nature which Paul says in Romans ch 6 we are dead to?

[Guest shiloh357]

So how do you rectify the comment "All sin and fall short of the glory of God"

I am not saying no one has never sinned ....but Jesus Christ ...but Paul ask the question shall we continue in sin? Paul also states we are dead to sin.. if so why would christians continue living according to the old sin nature which Paul says in Romans ch 6 we are dead to?

The commandment not to continue in sin simply means we are not to purposely continue living sinful lives. Paul was warning people not to see grace as a license to sin.

The Bible says in Proverbs, "The sacrifices of the wicked are an abomination to the Lord." What that means is that in even in the OT sacrifical system there was no provision for someone to present an offering/sacfrice to gain atonement for a sin that they fully intended return and continue to commit. The wicked are not wicked because they sin, but becauase they are unrepentant and live willfully in sin and use God's mercy too sate their conscience.

Paul's exhortation in Romans 6 is not advancing the notion that we are expected to live in sinless perfection or that committing a single sin amounts to "continuing in sin." In fact, the very existence of grace defeats the "sinless perfection" argument that some Christians promote. Grace is not for those who live in sinless perfection. Grace is not for those who never make a mistake. Anyone who can live in sinless perfection doesn't need Jesus.

It should also be pointed out that there is a degree of relativity with respect to what constitute sinless living. For example, depending on your convictions the length of a man's hair, the kind of music one listens to, the kind of clothing or the amount of make up and jewelry that a woman wears determines if they are truly living holy before God. I know people who believe that eating any junk food is sin. These people have their own use of Scripture to support these opinions. To them, the avoidance of these kinds of sins are biblical and violate passages like Romans 6.