Christians and the beach

[Vickilynn]

So where is the original poster in this discussion? I have just checked. Since he posted the OP, he has not contributed to this discussion at all. Is he just sitting there enjoying the debate anonymously? :noidea: I just can't see the point of starting a discussion and then not posting in response!

(Maybe I am just naive!). I suggest that the discussion is stopped here until he responds to some of the points that have been made in response to his OP!!! :o :o

Shalom Afal,

The poster has been one who has posted on the board before. Whether the OP makes any comments or not, the OP stands and all are free to contribute to the topic. I think it's a good one and one that makes for good discussion and Bible teaching. If you wish to drop out, that's up to you, but I think the thread is fine as it is, people are making interesting comments back and forth. There is no board rule that states the OP must join in the conversation BTW.

[Wingwalker]

I appolgize for being defensive. I went back and reread the OP. I did not perseive it to be legalistic, the second time around. I do wholeheartedly agree, that women do need to dress modestly. Modesty itself, can be a challenge. The OP had questions as to how this woman dresses and checks herself to make sure she is not about to be seductive in anyway. Though I do think of some of those things when I am getting dressed, I dont think about all of them. Of course my closet doesnt have questionalbe attire to be adorned. IMO. And there is the other issue. My opinion is not necessarily the same as the OP's. Does this make me less of a Christian lady? No it does not. There are women who wear clothes that I would never put on for sake of me feeling less than modest. For them, they may feel modestly dressed. And I do struggle with some of the younger ladies, who shall we say, leave nothing to the imagination, on how to appropriately address the modesty issue. (This is in chuch bty)

I agree too, that we need to take the steps necessary to not make others stumble. If that requires being more conscious about what we are wearing and what we are showing,then we need to be proactive in LOVE and dress apropriately. I do hope this is not coming across as legalistic.

The biggest struggle today, and this may have been the issue long before my time, is what the godless society is telling ladies and girls what to wear and how to dress.

[Scarletprayers]

While I have already agreed with the modesty issue, I still say this puts all the fault on the females and none on the males. I find it sad, that to keep them from having to control themselves or accept responsibility for their own actions, some how all of this becomes the females problem to deal with and somehow her fault. Maybe more of them just need to grow up, this type of "blame" is what led to the bruqa.

[Vickilynn]

I appolgize for being defensive. I went back and reread the OP. I did not perseive it to be legalistic, the second time around. I do wholeheartedly agree, that women do need to dress modestly. Modesty itself, can be a challenge. The OP had questions as to how this woman dresses and checks herself to make sure she is not about to be seductive in anyway.

Shalom Wingwalker,

Amen. Thank you for your gracious reply.

Though I do think of some of those things when I am getting dressed, I dont think about all of them.

Neither do I, and personally I don't agree with all of them. But the Biblical foundation of asking ourselves if we are dressing modestly is a good one. I personally have never thought of a checklist, and I learned something cool from the OP. But, as I said, my checklist is not the same as the author of the article and that's OK.

And there is the other issue. My opinion is not necessarily the same as the OP's. Does this make me less of a Christian lady? No it does not. There are women who wear clothes that I would never put on for sake of me feeling less than modest. For them, they may feel modestly dressed. And I do struggle with some of the younger ladies, who shall we say, leave nothing to the imagination, on how to appropriately address the modesty issue. (This is in chuch bty)

Of course, modesty is subjective. I'm not saying the author of the article is correct in all her assertions of what NOT to wear, but agreeing simply that it is a subject that we, as Christian women, should take responsibility for and think more about. That's all.

I agree too, that we need to take the steps necessary to not make others stumble. If that requires being more conscious about what we are wearing and what we are showing,then we need to be proactive in LOVE and dress apropriately. I do hope this is not coming across as legalistic.

It's not, I assure you. And I agree strongly that it is something we MUST do if we truly love one another as Jesus calls us to.

The biggest struggle today, and this may have been the issue long before my time, is what the godless society is telling ladies and girls what to wear and how to dress.

Amen! And that is why we need this teaching in the church.

[Vickilynn]

While I have already agreed with the modesty issue, I still say this puts all the fault on the females and none on the males. I find it sad, that to keep them from having to control themselves or accept responsibility for their own actions, some how all of this becomes the females problem to deal with and somehow her fault. Maybe more of them just need to grow up, this type of "blame" is what led to the bruqa.

Shalom SP,

You're entitled to your opinion, but the Bible says plainly that women are to dress modestly.

And, no blame is not the reason for the burqa. The religions such as Islam demand the burqa and it is not accurate to equate that with the Biblical command for women to dress modestly.

And, as said before, Jesus calls us to love. If we truly live G-d's Word, we will be aggressive in our actions to not make our brothers stumble. That is love. How can we witness to people when we refuse to live by G-d's Word? How can we say we love them as Jesus loves them if we are unwilling to love them in our dress and everything else?

[Vickilynn]

It is a matter of who is best qualified to teach the younger sisters who do not know better how to dress in a modest womanly Christian manner and what the motivation is for doing so. In this particular instance, that is knowledge that is most effectively passed on from an older sister to a younger one. When a man attempts to do it, more often than not, he wins the shouting contest but loses the sister.

Shalom Rufus,

So, now you're saying it's OK to teach Biblical modesty? That's not what you said before, at least how I read it.

The article written was written by a woman.

The bottom line is that women are to be dressing modestly is a BIBLICAL truth.

That truth can come by G-dly men or women, but as I posted in Titus 2, it is the responsibility of older Christian women to teach the younger ones in the faith and that covers dressing modestly. However, the truth is still truth and if no woman teaches the truth, it is not wrong for a G-dly man to.

Paul (a man) taught the women to dress modestly in his letter to Timothy. He instructed Timothy (a man) to teach it as well.

1 Timothy 2

8 I desire then that in every place the men should pray, lifting holy hands without anger or quarreling; 9likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire, 10(S) but with what is proper for women who profess godliness

[AndrewA]

I see we are going around in circles. Remember this was about the beach, but certainly it is worth expanding to life in general. We all have our own ideas as to what

[Scarletprayers]

While I have already agreed with the modesty issue, I still say this puts all the fault on the females and none on the males. I find it sad, that to keep them from having to control themselves or accept responsibility for their own actions, some how all of this becomes the females problem to deal with and somehow her fault. Maybe more of them just need to grow up, this type of "blame" is what led to the bruqa.

Shalom SP,

You're entitled to your opinion, but the Bible says plainly that women are to dress modestly.

And, no blame is not the reason for the burqa. The religions such as Islam demand the burqa and it is not accurate to equate that with the Biblical command for women to dress modestly.

And, as said before, Jesus calls us to love. If we truly live G-d's Word, we will be aggressive in our actions to not make our brothers stumble. That is love. How can we witness to people when we refuse to live by G-d's Word? How can we say we love them as Jesus loves them if we are unwilling to love them in our dress and everything else?

The Bible also says for a man to look at a woman lustfully, he has already committed adultery with her in his heart. There is NO mention of how the woman is dressed or behaving in this. Because the sin isn't the womans, its the mans.

[Vickilynn]

The Bible also says for a man to look at a woman lustfully, he has already committed adultery with her in his heart. There is NO mention of how the woman is dressed or behaving in this. Because the sin isn't the womans, its the mans.

Shalom SP,

So are you saying the Bible does not say that women are to dress modestly?

1 Timothy 2

8 I desire then that in every place the men should pray, lifting holy hands without anger or quarreling; 9 likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire, 10(S) but with what is proper for women who profess godliness

[Scarletprayers]

If you go back through this thread somewhere, I've already said that women need to dress with modesty and restraint. But, that doesn't change the fact that this thread is putting the onus on us and not on the men where it also belongs. Sometimes, it doesn't make any difference what a woman is wearing a man will have impure thoughts. All I'm saying is men need to take responsibility for their own actions and not try to place the blame all on the women, which is basically what this whole thread is doing, along with plenty of the women.