Christians and the beach

[Scarletprayers]

So, does anyone think that the clothes we wear is the reason for sin? Do you think that it is the heart of the viewer? Or Both??

I think it may be a combination. As was stated earlier in this thread, there are men who will have those thoughts no matter WHAT a woman is wearing. However, as was also stated earlier, we are not to put stumbling blocks in others' way, so it is wise to dress modestly (but you don't have to be fully covered from head to toe to do so!). At the same time, men need to have the self-control to LOOK AWAY.

[mathqueen]

So, does anyone think that the clothes we wear is the reason for sin? Do you think that it is the heart of the viewer? Or Both??

I think it may be a combination. As was stated earlier in this thread, there are men who will have those thoughts no matter WHAT a woman is wearing. However, as was also stated earlier, we are not to put stumbling blocks in others' way, so it is wise to dress modestly (but you don't have to be fully covered from head to toe to do so!). At the same time, men need to have the self-control to LOOK AWAY.

Awwwww thanks SP. I wub u.

[mathqueen]

My point is, the old "shame and blame" approach to teaching this subject DOES NOT WORK! It is less effective for a Christian man than for a Christian woman to take the initiative in teaching this topic to those who need to be taught...or should I speak plainly?

I completely understand your point, and I agree. I do not think it is appropriate for a man to go up to a woman and point out her immodest choice of attire. At school, the male teachers do NOT feel comfortable (nor should they nowadays) sending up a young lady on a dress code violation for showing her chest. That is our job as female teachers to correct the female students. Likewise in the church.

[Emily~Anne]

In this matter, men need to have their focus on trying to keep their thoughts pure, and us women need to focus on dressing reasonably modestly. The 'shame and blame' thing can go BOTH ways and is really rather pointless.

[Guest shiloh357]

So, does anyone think that the clothes we wear is the reason for sin? Do you think that it is the heart of the viewer? Or Both??

Modesty is an attitude. As Mathqueen stated it is combination. Modesty is a two-way street. Men need to guard their eyes. The Bible says:

I will behave myself wisely in a perfect way. O when wilt thou come unto me? I will walk within my house with a perfect heart. I will set no wicked thing before mine eyes: I hate the work of them that turn aside; it shall not cleave to me. A froward heart shall depart from me: I will not know a wicked person.

(Psalms 101:2-4)

We should be like the Psalmist and walk before the Lord in a wise and mature way not setting any wicked thing before our eyes. Just to clarify, it does not mean that a woman who is dressed immodestly is "wicked." The point I am making is that men, particularly Christian men should not be looking at sexually immoral images of women and filling their imaginations with such things. The natural result of such immoral behavior is that they will ack immodestly toward women.

[Emily~Anne]

The point I am making is that men, particularly Christian men should not be looking at sexually immoral images of women and filling their imaginations with such things. The natural result of such immoral behavior is that they will ack immodestly toward women.

And at the same time, us women should not be showing off our goods.

[Guest shiloh357]

The point I am making is that men, particularly Christian men should not be looking at sexually immoral images of women and filling their imaginations with such things. The natural result of such immoral behavior is that they will ack immodestly toward women.

And at the same time, us women should not be showing off our goods.

Exactly correct. That is why I said it is two-way street.

[Vickilynn]

My point is, the old "shame and blame" approach to teaching this subject DOES NOT WORK! It is less effective for a Christian man than for a Christian woman to take the initiative in teaching this topic to those who need to be taught...or should I speak plainly?

Shalom Rufus,

Perhaps you have not read the OP.

You are making "points" that have NOTHING to do with this thread.

There is no "shame and blame" and there is nothing wrong with G-dly men bringing forth the truth.

Neither have anything to do with the OP.

The bottom line is that women DO need to be taught the Biblical truth. Period. That is inarguable. If you want to make an issue of WHO teaches women, that's fine. I already posted Titus 2:3-5 and stated it is the older WOMEN'S responsibility to teach the younger ones in this and other areas of the being a G-dly woman.

So, you are really making a non-argument. No one is arguing with you about this.

[Vickilynn]

In this matter, men need to have their focus on trying to keep their thoughts pure, and us women need to focus on dressing reasonably modestly. The 'shame and blame' thing can go BOTH ways and is really rather pointless.

Shalom Emily Anne,

Exactly.

[Vickilynn]

Shalom,

Remember the Bible. It says for WOMEN to be modest in their dress. Those of you arguing against this are arguing against Scripture.

Just by saying that men have a responsibility does not negate the woman's responsibility which is what we're talking about.