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[Axxman]

Now you are talking about simply striking terror into people. Yes, torture does that. It's also what terrorists do. Maybe you don't see a parallel between the measures you are advocating and the measures enacted by terrorists and fascist dictators.

Oh, there is NO DOUBT that the parallels exist...however, the intent is quite different. The aim of the terrorist is to kill people...the aim of the CIA is to protect American lives. The power of torture goes way beyond pain, it scares people. It saves lives. Thats why we don't say all muslims are terrorists...sure there are parallels between muslims and terrorists but in most cases their intent is quite different.

You seem to think that there must be SOME way to extract info from unwilling people, be it through torture or other forms. Why do you assume so? I'm no expert; I don't know how well polygraph tests or sodium pentathol work. But I do know, as an American and as a Christian, torture is an abomination. It is not justifiable under any circumstances.

I guess here is the part where you prove that torture is an abomination to a Christian. I posted references that condone torture throughout the scripture. I don't see how anyone could say that God doesn't condone torture when the bible says God allows torture.

Btw...as you know, many forms of torture are not painful, but psychological. And truth serums are not effective like the movies.

[JustinM]

I have an idea, instead of waterboarding we should just pour eyedrops into their water. After a whole night of vomitting, I'm sure they'd be willing to talk about anything.

I think physiological deprivation is more effective than physical torture. Remove comfort items and security and people will do just about anything to get those back. Which is why I believe that waterboarding is not torture, it causes no longterm physical or psychological effects. How can you cause permanent psychological damage to a suspected suicide bomber? I mean, they're all suspects, because the ones that actually pull it off, don't live to be convicted.

[Arthur Durnan]

UltraLibDems don't appreciate waterboarding? Get used to it, Hillary Friend. America's in WORLD WAR3 with Islamic Fascism bent on something much, much worse than water-drops on a handkerchief - the destruction of democratic Israel, the United States of America & the entire Western World. Polygamist WarLord Muhammad's 7th-century Qur'an, including Suras 9:5; 5:34,35; 8:39; 8:65; 9:29 plus a total of 109 war verses that show, on average, 1 out of every 55 verses throughout Muhammad's writings advocating violence against "infidels." It should be made required reading for each UltraLibDem 2008 candidate with all due haste. And some 'CNN Captain Congenial' debate moderators should consider cutting thru the smoke & mirrors and commence to throw a few hard-ball queries at the Hillarys, the Hussein Obamas, etc, in the interests, quite correctly, of the Restoration Society For Political CommonSense in UltraLibDem conflabs. Adios, and let the anthem swell!

http://arthurdurnan.freeyellow.com

[damo1]

damo1

you guys are also forgetting one thing these terror groups and those they train are told to put up with what ever is dished out if ever cought by the american goverment spies also know this if captured by the enemy your life as you know it is gone the russian kgb agents are good at what they do and the british agents

my brother even has this in the back off his head if he is ever cought in the line off duty he knows he is going to suffer and is one tuff man who has trained him self to endure pain

the taliban and those like son of bin laden know if they get cought it wil not be simple sailing for them so in the training they go threw torcher is something they get use to and pace them selves by doing this to them selves if you do not belive me track some one down of jewish faith some one who lived threw what the german army did when hittler was alive

every agent that works in the field when it comes to valuable information that one day will save a country or another country would know of the warnings criminals even do this when a drug dealer is cought cheeting his boss they punish him but they make sure he is alive and the treatment that is dished out is something you would not handle

also when a bike wants to leave a group they have been attached to and has been loyal too he has to keep a prommise and he does not walk free i heard of one guy having his knee caps busted i also new if the guys i worked for ever found out i talked to the police which i did which was one of my fears i would have had a few brokken bones a finger cut to the bone and a sign on my head saying dog it is a tattoo that never comes off it can leave a scar if taken of but the writting will be very clear and your life as you know it is over

dog means some one who is a snitch

when the cold war was going on in russia the kgb agents were number one when it came to torcher and gaining valuable information my old man had a lot of russian friends and he told me what the kgb use to do to british spies even their female agents were as mean as the male counterparts

in my partners country this group abu sayyiff are a mean bunch the army has been after them for a long time and every time the army gets close they escape or come up with ways to put the army to shame early this year sevral soldiers had their heads cut off

i have been reading the last few responces on this topic and i felt pushed to share torcher is something that every country uses yet hear we have the cia and its like they are the only ones that can not use torcher to prottect its own country

if you want to know what its like to torcher some one apply to work with the cia or the fbi or the army and navy these brave men and brave women who serve to prottect our country put up with a lot and are willing to put their own lives at risk to the point off even being killed

have a look at what china does to the christians that are suffering know their are many christians in their jails and i know that these brothers and sisters are suffering for this gospel read the heavenly man i promisse you you will never be the same

do you think its easy for me sharing what i share openly in cyber space i owe god my very life

god bless from your brother in the lord damien stipic

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

Lorax,

You seem to think that there must be SOME way to extract info from unwilling people, be it through torture or other forms. Why do you assume so? I'm no expert; I don't know how well polygraph tests or sodium pentathol work. But I do know, as an American and as a Christian, torture is an abomination. It is not justifiable under any circumstances.

I agree.

1Sa

[Marnie]

The US doesn't engage in torture. What's wrong with you people??

Three minutes of waterboarding is far less torturous than slogging my way through this thread. Ugh.

[The Lorax]

I agree.

1Sa 15:14

And Samuel said, What [means] then this bleating of sheep in mine ears, and the lowing of oxen which I hear?

1Sa 15:18

And Jehovah sent thee on a way and said, Go and utterly destroy the sinners the Amalekites, and fight against them until they be consumed.

1Sa 15:19

Why then didst thou not hearken to the voice of Jehovah, but didst fall upon the spoil, and didst evil in the sight of Jehovah?

1Sa 15:32

[Marnie]

I agree.

1Sa 15:14

And Samuel said, What [means] then this bleating of sheep in mine ears, and the lowing of oxen which I hear?

1Sa 15:18

And Jehovah sent thee on a way and said, Go and utterly destroy the sinners the Amalekites, and fight against them until they be consumed.

1Sa 15:19

Why then didst thou not hearken to the voice of Jehovah, but didst fall upon the spoil, and didst evil in the sight of Jehovah?

1Sa 15:32

[The Lorax]

lol which is why is works.

...Works to what end?

Terrifying?

Check.

Traumatizing?

Check.

Undermining our nation's moral high ground?

Check.

Extracting reliable information?

Um, well, no.

[buckthesystem]

damo1

hay buckthesystem have you watched that sympson epesode were baart goes crazy and thinks some one is spying on him and then steels a tank and shots at the sky and a satalight falls from the sky ? that epesode cracked me up as bart had a tin foil out fit he decked him self up

god bless from your brother in the lord damien stipic

Damo, remember always: "Perfect paranoia is perfect awareness!"

Yep I sure do remember the episode of the simpsons that you describe. It was really good. Of course the punchline was that Bart was right all along and there was a spy satellite, even if it was just baseball players.

Got your tin foil hat in a safe place?

damo1

to buckthesytem

yep just about to do one for my self and so true what you have said as this is one thing on my mind who is listning to the conversations we make on the other side i remember when george bush gave the go ahead for every in comming and out going emails to be read by the goverment when i heard this on news hear in australia it got me mad and i always have this in the back of my head

in my younger days we use to have scanners were we would pick up what the police were up to and were they would be we also picked up sevral people talking to each other on their mobil phones one guy cracked me up and i nearly said something over the scanner we had but my mate put his hands on my mouth as he new what i was going to say

he was trying to pick this chick up and the poor guy was going no were i could not stop cracking up as we gof the chicks ph number as she said how did you get my mobil ph number he said from her sister

these scanners are elegal to have and you can get into a lot of trouble as we also picked up sea rescue and we would also pick up and hear were the drug busts would be in our neck of the woods very good if you have not got a licence and want to avoid being done by the police or breth tested

i should keep silent i am giving away to much information hear

god bless from your brother in the lord damien stipic

If scanners that are capable of receiving different frequencies (police, fire service, trucks etc.) are illegal then how come they are advertised and you can buy them from any shop that sells radio equipment. I bought one for my son a few months ago.

We were playing with it before I gave it to him and it is quite good - the police transmissions come out "clear as a bell". I found it quite boring though as we live in a place where the population is relatively sparce so there was not a lot of discussion.

It was a bit of an eye opener though, I realised that there is no provision for privacy at all. All police cars are equipped with computers that if they type in any car's "registration number" it comes up with the "registered keeper" of the car (not the wording - it doesn't, no pretence, it doesn't try to tell us that a member of the public actually "owns" the car).

How could a government make something like a radio scanner illegal. Makes me think of an old war film where someone is executed because they are found with an "illegal radio".