6000 Years vs. Millions of Years

[kari21]

I feel sorry for those of you who need to believe in a literal Genesis against all the evidence that God has otherwise provided

And here I was, thinking you were an atheist...

Or was that a Freudian slip?

[OneLight]

I'll probably get slammed for this, but this thread, and others like it, makes me wonder why we spend a lot of time debating something that does not pertain to salvation or helping another with their problems? We will never know for sure how old the world really is until we stand before or savior, and then, we really won't care. Is it vanity that we know? What difference does it make to the lost? How long did Adam and Eve wander through the Garden of Eden before the fall???

OneLight

[kari21]

I'll probably get slammed for this, but this thread, and others like it, makes me wonder why we spend a lot of time debating something that does not pertain to salvation or helping another with their problems? We will never know for sure how old the world really is until we stand before or savior, and then, we really won't care. Is it vanity that we know? What difference does it make to the lost? How long did Adam and Eve wander through the Garden of Eden before the fall???

OneLight

I think it has more to do with people putting their faith in what the evolutionists are saying, which does nothing but chip away at Scripture a little bit at a time, until all faith is gone. I say, we don't give up an inch!

This is a spiritual battle for the minds of our generation, and we can't afford to let them win even a round.

To doubt Genesis, is to doubt the rest of it. Why have faith in a book that cannot be trusted?

[Guest shiloh357]

I'll probably get slammed for this, but this thread, and others like it, makes me wonder why we spend a lot of time debating something that does not pertain to salvation or helping another with their problems? We will never know for sure how old the world really is until we stand before or savior, and then, we really won't care. Is it vanity that we know? What difference does it make to the lost? How long did Adam and Eve wander through the Garden of Eden before the fall???

OneLight

It is very much an issue that pertains to salvation. Those who champion evolution do so because they believe that if they can successfully challenge what God says about the origin of the universe, then they have grounds to challenge what He says about their sin.

Evolution is contradictory to the Bible, because the theory is predicated on the origins of the universe being the product of natural means absent a personal creator. It is a strike at the very existance of God Himself.

It is not vanity to seek the truth about how the universe came into being. It is vital. It is vital to the spreading of the gospel. It makes all the difference to the lost who see it as way of explaining away the existence of God.

It is not a peripheral issue like tongues or the rapture. It is an issue that bears directly on God and His integrity.

[kari21]

I'll probably get slammed for this, but this thread, and others like it, makes me wonder why we spend a lot of time debating something that does not pertain to salvation or helping another with their problems? We will never know for sure how old the world really is until we stand before or savior, and then, we really won't care. Is it vanity that we know? What difference does it make to the lost? How long did Adam and Eve wander through the Garden of Eden before the fall???

OneLight

It is very much an issue that pertains to salvation. Those who champion evolution do so because they believe that if they can successfully challenge what God says about the origin of the universe, then they have grounds to challenge what He says about their sin.

Evolution is contradictory to the Bible, because the theory is predicated on the origins of the universe being the product of natural means absent a personal creator. It is a strike at the very existance of God Himself.

It is not vanity to seek the truth about how the universe came into being. It is vital. It is vital to the spreading of the gospel. It makes all the difference to the lost who see it as way of explaining away the existence of God.

It is not a peripheral issue like tongues or the rapture. It is an issue that bears directly on God and His integrity.

Indeed. If one starts doubting what is said about creation, why then believe in a virgin birth? Why believe that Jesus rose from the dead? Science won't support either...

[OneLight]

I'll probably get slammed for this, but this thread, and others like it, makes me wonder why we spend a lot of time debating something that does not pertain to salvation or helping another with their problems? We will never know for sure how old the world really is until we stand before or savior, and then, we really won't care. Is it vanity that we know? What difference does it make to the lost? How long did Adam and Eve wander through the Garden of Eden before the fall???

OneLight

I think it has more to do with people putting their faith in what the evolutionists are saying, which does nothing but chip away at Scripture a little bit at a time, until all faith is gone. I say, we don't give up an inch!

This is a spiritual battle for the minds of our generation, and we can't afford to let them win even a round.

To doubt Genesis, is to doubt the rest. Why have faith in a book that cannot be trusted?

I agree, but we believe by faith. How can you "prove" faith? Man will always try to prove how "smart" they are. In Romans 1:20-22 we read ...

"For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools,"

I'm not saying that science is bad, but when they try to prove that the Bible is wrong with their "evidence", how can we rebut it by our faith? Our faith is not something that we can place in the open as evidence. It is something that we hold dear in our hearts.

Those who wish to prove God as a fable or that the Bible is not accurate, will have to answer to God for their own words. Salvation, which opens the understanding of Gods Word, is not found in how old the world is, but in the works of Christ.

Our battles should be chosen wisely. We can not take time back.

OneLight

[kari21]

I'm not saying that science is bad, but when they try to prove that the Bible is wrong with their "evidence", how can we rebut it by our faith?

No. We fight fire with fire. Through science.

Those who wish to prove God as a fable or that the Bible is not accurate, will have to answer to God for their own words.

And we will have to answer to God for not giving an answer to their accusations. Their blood will be on our hands if we just let them follow evolution to an eternal punishment in hell.

[Guest shiloh357]

I'm not saying that science is bad, but when they try to prove that the Bible is wrong with their "evidence", how can we rebut it by our faith? Our faith is not something that we can place in the open as evidence. It is something that we hold dear in our hearts.

But the Christian faith does have an evidentiary basis. Our faith is not blind. The problem is that it is usualy unbelief that is blind.

Those who are willing to be honest about the evidence we do have for our faith, can see that we can provide an intellectually satisfying answer to those who object to it.

Kari has masterfully demonstrated in this thread how little people even in science think through the things they say. She has shown how even just basic logic available to anyone can demonstrate the fallacy of evolution.

Our faith is designed by God to be put on display. It designed to be tested and tried. God is not threatened by those who question him. If you believe that you have the truth, questions should not threaten you.

[OneLight]

I'm not saying that science is bad, but when they try to prove that the Bible is wrong with their "evidence", how can we rebut it by our faith? Our faith is not something that we can place in the open as evidence. It is something that we hold dear in our hearts.

But the Christian faith does have an evidentiary basis. Our faith is not blind. The problem is that it is usualy unbelief that is blind.

Those who are willing to be honest about the evidence we do have for our faith, can see that we can provide an intellectually satisfying answer to those who object to it.

Kari has masterfully demonstrated in this thread how little people even in science think through the things they say. She has shown how even just basic logic available to anyone can demonstrate the fallacy of evolution.

Our faith is designed by God to be put on display. It designed to be tested and tried. God is not threatened by those who question him. If you believe that you have the truth, questions should not threaten you.

Please, don't get me wrong. I am not saying that Kari is doing anything wrong. I am questioning why we continue to battle in areas where we have no evidence that scientist requires in order to rebut their conclusions. I ask this because I can not remember anywhere where Jesus debated how old the world really is. He always dealt with the heart of the problem, which is their unbelief.

I stand aside if anyone feels led to debate this issue.

OneLight

[Guest shiloh357]

Please, don't get me wrong. I am not saying that Kari is doing anything wrong. I am questioning why we continue to battle in areas where we have no evidence that scientist requires in order to rebut their conclusions. I ask this because I can not remember anywhere where Jesus debated how old the world really is. He always dealt with the heart of the problem, which is their unbelief.

Yeah, but you can't really address unbelief without addressing the source of it, and that is what Kari is doing.

Jesus did not debate how old the world was, but it was not an issue to His audience. That is not really relevant. It is a matter of being culturally relevant and addressing the issue that do pertain to unbelievers in our day and age.