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I have debated & researched the origins of Christmas and I too feel it is a pagan holiday.

Okay, do we agree that originally this day, Dec. 25, was of no particular significance to anyone? And then at some point in history, and I'll take your word for it, Dec 25 became a pagan holiday.

Let me ask you this. Today, what does December 25 mean to the vast majority? Pagan or Christian holiday?

If you say Christian, which you obviously should, then I don't see the problem.

Did God give satan this date on the calendar over to satan? It's their day and we Christians can't have it? I don't get it.

The only people I ever hear telling that it's a pagan holiday are Christians like yourself. And frankly I find that very sad. I don't know why some Christians continue to recognize it as a pagan holiday when it's been so long and forgotten as such and WONDERFULLY REPLACED BY A CELEBRATION OF THE BIRTH OF OUR LORD!

Will we stand in judgement for taking part in it ?

What kind of God do you think you serve?

I am certain that I know the character of God well enough to know that He is not going to condemn us for celebrating the birth Jesus Christ, Lord and savior of the world on the wrong day!! He's going to judge us for celebrating the day that we all became reconciled with God???

Are you kidding? Is that a joke?

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"Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God: But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God." Luke 12:8-9

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." Romans 10:9-10

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Welcome To Worthy And Merry Christmas To You And Yours!

I have debated & researched the origins of Christmas and I too feel it is a pagan holiday. Will we stand in judgement for taking part in it?

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I Think Your Research Sources May Have Lied To You!

The Origins Of The Witness and Worship Season Called Christmas

[1] And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.

[2] (And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.)

[3] And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city.

[4] And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David:)

[5] To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.

[6] And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered.

[7] And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.

[8] And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.

[9] And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.

[10] And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

[11] For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

[12] And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.

[13] And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,

[14] Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

[15] And it came to pass, as the angels were gone away from them into heaven, the shepherds said one to another, Let us now go even unto Bethlehem, and see this thing which is come to pass, which the Lord hath made known unto us.

[16] And they came with haste, and found Mary, and Joseph, and the babe lying in a manger.

[17] And when they had seen it, they made known abroad the saying which was told them concerning this child.

[18] And all they that heard it wondered at those things which were told them by the shepherds.

[19] But Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart.

[20] And the shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things that they had heard and seen, as it was told unto them.

[21] And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.

[22] And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord;

[23] (As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord;)

[24] And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.

[25] And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him.

[26] And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ.

[27] And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law,

[28] Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said,

[29] Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word:

[30] For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,

[31] Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people;

[32] A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.

[33] And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him.

[34] And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;

[35] (Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.

[36] And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity;

[37] And she was a widow of about fourscore and four years, which departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day.

[38] And she coming in that instant gave thanks likewise unto the Lord, and spake of him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem.

[39] And when they had performed all things according to the law of the Lord, they returned into Galilee, to their own city Nazareth.

[40] And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.

Luke 2:1-40

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It Is True!

Many A Pagan Does Party On At Christmas Time!

I Doubt Pagan's Ever Knowingly Worship The LORD Or Celebrate His Birth.

Christian Gentiles And Messianic Jews Worship The Christ On Every Day, Christmas Included.

So, If You Choose Not To Worship Christ On Christmas Day, I Really Doubt The Pagan's Will Be Offended.

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What's It All About

Jesus! Jesus! Jesus!

And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.
Luke 2:13-14

The Birth Of God-With-Us

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Isaiah 7:14

Even The LORD Jesus Christ

Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Matthew 1:23

But The Worship Of Christ At Christmas Time Is Really Not An Activity Pagans Engage In.

Unless This Is The Day Of Their Salvation.

The Day They See Jesus And Believe.

Hallelujah!

Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.
Luke 15:10

Some Folk Appear To Delight In Unplugging Their Neighbor's Christmas Lights

Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.

Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 5:14-16

Even Thought This Is A Wonderful Season For The Proclamation Of The Gospel

Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2 Timothy 4:2

Speaking The Good News

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16

:)

Be Blessed Beloved Of The Christ

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

Merry Christmas

And May God Bless Us One And All

Love, Your Brother Joe

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:emot-crying: Way to go Joe.

It's the most wonderful time of the year!

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Fresno Joe, I put a link in my siggy to your post. :P

Merry CHRISTmas! :emot-partyblower:

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Let me ask you this. Today, what does December 25 mean to the vast majority? Pagan or Christian holiday?

To me it's neither christian or pagan but a time to have fun, decorating, eating, buying presents; I think that's the way it is with most people; we've modernized it to our own culture and we celebrate it within that context.

Religiously speaking, historically it began as a pagan holiday. Early christians did not celebrate at this time of year for that very reason.......they shunned it.

From a Christian perspective; those who see it entirely as a celebration of the birth of Jesus....-- Those of you who think God doesn't have a problem with this.....what do you think He meant about not adopting pagan/heathen customs? Was God just "messing" with us? Did He really not mean it or has he sofened about it and changed His mind? I mean, the Bible tells us that God's ways are not man's way yet this holiday is "man's ways".....how do you reconcile those verses with statements to the effect of, "I don't really think God will be mad at us for celebrating Jesus' birthday on Dec 25th".

Artsylady - you sure do "feel sorry" for a lot of people :P

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Let me ask you this. Today, what does December 25 mean to the vast majority? Pagan or Christian holiday?

To me it's neither christian or pagan but a time to have fun, decorating, eating, buying presents; I think that's the way it is with most people; we've modernized it to our own culture and we celebrate it within that context.

That would be pagan. The Christian way is to recognize and worship the LORD Jesus Christ as new born King and Saviour of the World. Just as is recorded in Luke, and Matthew.

Religiously speaking, historically it began as a pagan holiday. Early christians did not celebrate at this time of year for that very reason.......they shunned it.

No it was not, read previous posts.

From a Christian perspective; those who see it entirely as a celebration of the birth of Jesus....-- Those of you who think God doesn't have a problem with this.....what do you think He meant about not adopting pagan/heathen customs? Was God just "messing" with us? Did He really not mean it or has he sofened about it and changed His mind? I mean, the Bible tells us that God's ways are not man's way yet this holiday is "man's ways".....how do you reconcile those verses with statements to the effect of, "I don't really think God will be mad at us for celebrating Jesus' birthday on Dec 25th".

Artsylady - you sure do "feel sorry" for a lot of people :P

For those who are Christians, we celebrate Christ every day. Christmas is just a day to celebrate the incarnation of His work here on earth. If I didn't celebrate the birth of my Saviour, I'd feel mighty arrogant celebrating my own birthday.

Why do you continue to deny that there was celebrating on the day of His birth? That the celebrations continued and December 25th was recongized as Christ's Birth Day long before [@ 100 years] the Pagans tried to reclaim it as their own.

The Angles rejoiced at the birth of the Saviour, I would consider that, God's way, since He sent the Angels to announce Jesus birth.

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I didn't say there wasn't celebrating on the day of his birth; I said Dec 25 was not the day of his birth.

I don't celebrate pagan gods. I see it for what it is, a time to celebrate time with my family with the food, the presents and the decorations.....all man's ways of celebrating time with the family.

It's not gonna matter whether you celebrate it that way or whether you put a "christian label" on it. In the end, you're either one of the elect or you're not.

Religiously speaking, the pagans had the holiday taken from them; it was theirs to begin with. So if they do want to "reclaim" it.... as you put it, they're [religiously speaking], within their right to do so. Who are you to complain about their attempts since it was their religious tradition to begin with.

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Winter Solstice is on the 20th or 21st, not the 25th. But, since you feel it is sin to celebrate on Dec. 25th, do you choose another day to devote to celebrating the birth of Christ? (Which I am assuming you would do for your children if by some odd circumstance you did not know the exact day one of your children was born on)

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Winter Solstice is on the 20th or 21st, not the 25th. But, since you feel it is sin to celebrate on Dec. 25th, do you choose another day to devote to celebrating the birth of Christ? (Which I am assuming you would do for your children if by some odd circumstance you did not know the exact day one of your children was born on)

My father in law does not know his exact birth date, it was sometime in September so he and his wife just celebrate theirs on the same day. It's like they have two anniversary's. One for their birthday and one for their wedding.

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