Calvin vs. Arminius

[EricH]

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"For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus." Gal 3:26

" Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.." John 8:44

"Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be." Rom 8:7

"For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life." Rom 5:10

[EricH]

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[EricH]

"For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus." Gal 3:26

" Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.." John 8:44

"Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be." Rom 8:7

"For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life." Rom 5:10

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Great post!

[Trust & Obey]

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2. In no place in scripture are angelic beings described has having the ability to reproduce. In fact Jesus indicated that angelic beings are in fact asexual in nature (Mark 12:25)

Actually, we have many places in scripture where angels appear as men.

Gen 19:1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;

Gen 19:2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.

Gen 19:3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.

Gen 19:4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

Gen 19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

The men of sodom were sure confident that, given the chance, they would have been able to have sexual relations with the angels. The angels appeared as men, therefore they took the body of men. Therefore, I assume that fallen angels could, at their choosing, take the form of men and come in unto mortal women.

Doesn't Peter suggest something just like this?

Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

They took left the angelic realm and came down to earth for perversion. For this, they are "reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

[EricH]

2. In no place in scripture are angelic beings described has having the ability to reproduce. In fact Jesus indicated that angelic beings are in fact asexual in nature (Mark 12:25)

Actually, we have many places in scripture where angels appear as men.

Gen 19:1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;

Gen 19:2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.

Gen 19:3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.

Gen 19:4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

Gen 19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

The men of sodom were sure confident that, given the chance, they would have been able to have sexual relations with the angels. The angels appeared as men, therefore they took the body of men. Therefore, I assume that fallen angels could, at their choosing, take the form of men and come in unto mortal women.

Doesn't Peter suggest something just like this?

Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

They took left the angelic realm and came down to earth for perversion. For this, they are "reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

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Appearing as men is a lot different than reproducing. All Jude says is that they left their habitation to perfert the earth. No direct mention of sexual reproduction. Genesis 19:5 is a statement by the men in the city, not the angels who came

[EricH]

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