The indignant illegitimacy of 4 dimensional beings

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

Bless you CausticAgnostic,

Instead, I'd like some sort of evidence as to why what they wrote about actually holds any truth value for specifically the reason that people can and do lie, or at least can be confused by what they've actually seen

So what would you hold as evidence beyond first hand accounts from first hand witnesses?

Do you realize that according to your standards most of History cannot be trusted because the witnesses that recorded the accounts could have not understood what they saw or possibly had alterior motives?

You state that the Gospel writers could have embellished or made up their accounts. I asked, "To what end?" Honestly, think about it these men and women were martyred for their Faith. Would you die for a lie? Scarcely, the Bible states, would a man die for a good man, a just man, but hardly ever would a man die knowingly for a lie.

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[Jorge S]

Why should I just drop all barriers to reason when I approach The Bible?

Nobody is asking you to do that. The barriers of unbelief are the only ones you need to drop.

We have the ability to reason because God made us in His image. And the processes of nature appeal to our intelligences because they were created by an Intelligent Being. You seem to have a problem with the biblical miracles but they are just what you'd reasonably expect a Supreme Creator to be capable of doing.

[nebula]

Then, whatever you do, don't click this link.

Cool website - thanks!

[nebula]

So, I've been reading through this topic, and it got me thinking about something.

When you look at the names of God in Scripture, they are not necessarily a "name" as we know it, but rather they define the relationship God has with man (I recently heard this explained that way by someone else). We can see this in Scripture in how He reveals Himself to different people in different ways, ans thus we see so many names for God given in Scripture, for we see through the eyes of those being given the revelation.

So, how would one describe God in light of the multi-dimensions? Try wrapping your mind around that one!

[Observer of dreams]

First thing is first. I understand where caustic is coming from. Though I disagree with his views I UNDERSTAND them and why he has them. He was very diplomatic in his responses and avoided the typical flame wars that tend to take place on these boards between believers and non.

I think human beings tend to dumb God down when we try to explain him. He, for example ends up as "he" or "She" or "Tree" or "rock" or whatever, but our problem is that God is everything, and we are trying to use everything we know to describe him, but everything we know isn't everything there is.

The God I follow is not A God, he is, "God", or "the father" the God I often hear described by people always has defects. One question I hear is

"why would an all loving God allow hatred in the world?" My answer to this is that God created beings capable of making decisions just as he makes decisions. We are responsible for the hatred in the world because God has put us in charge of the world and everything in it. He owns it but we are the managers. It is OUR fault there is hatred in the world because God created us to be independent of himself.

That was off topic but illustrates my point. The questions we ask about God are unjustified in the grand scope of things, yet they are necessary to us as human beings. God is the same God no matter how he changes his appearance, who he speaks through, how we choose to see him, and what religion we use to get close to him. We as humans care about these things and the proof is with Jesus, with every person stoned by the early Christians and some modern Muslims, how people TRULY react when someone dresses in Hot topic pants and goes to church. until people can love each other, and I mean agape love, they will never truly understand how God sees this world. We will also never truly know God because he has not shown us his power. God can do all that he wills, but will never do all that he can, because if he did, mistakes would be made, and the perfection that is God is made full circle in his extraordinary ability to use his powers in just the perfect way. If he interfered with the hatred there may have been something positive that would be lost.

"when you do things right, people wont be sure that you've done anything at all."

[Fraught]

i try to keep up with the science of physics as much as i can because it is fascinating and because it is humbling and i think most of all because it keeps my sense of wonder alive.

here is something interesting: (at least to me) - i was reading in the bible today and noticed something i hadn't paid attention to before.

God said he created darkness but that He formed light. now isn't that amazing considering the relatively new discoveries about light?

isaiah 45:7 - I form the light, and create darkness . . .