Gay and lesbian ministers

[irishcowboy]

(you can have it ALL! You are JUST AS GOOD AS A MAN!! You don't HAVE TO STAY HOME AND BAKE COOKIES!".)

Amen to that one!

Being a self-made business woman myself, actually I prefer to throw leg of lamb on the grill when I'm at home, as opposed to baking cookies!

Kitkat

COOKIES????? YUMMMY.... how did you know what I was doing this evening????

I love to bake and cook and well, dont mind ironing and sewing either....

oh yea, dont go telling Rosey Grier that he is a sissy for doing needlepoint either.... lol

tonite we had pork steaks, smashed tators, french style green beans, gravy, choc chip cookies, and choc chip/peanut butter cookies, pears, and milk and orange juice and water...... ( that was for the evening....) tomarrow, will do up bunches of meat balls ( about 15 # of them ) and then freeze up some burgers also....

might even do a cake tomorrow or even a cobbler.... not decided yet....

mike

[cheercoach]

How did the topic go from homosexual ministers to women preaching?

I think we must have bought into the lie that homosexuals are an oppressed minority group.

The plain truth is that homosexuality is a disfunction that can be healed.

We need to stop fearing homosexuals and tell them the truth and do a whole lot more to help them heal.

Of course it's a difficult process, but alcoholics, porn addicts, victims of abuse and others have overcome and there is hope for homosexuals also.

I'm don't have the answers for their problem, but there are people that do.

I have a lesbian cousin and she definately wasn't born that way. Her horrible childhood is what made her prey for the lesbian community to suck her in. I've lost contact with her, but the last time I saw her, she was still in this life style. She was searching for love and acceptance and unfortunately, thought the gay life was the answer.

Gays are not happy in their state. It is evedident by the way they are still screaming for love and acceptance. I pray that society and the church stops looking at them as a 'people group' and starts helping them to heal.

[Work in Progress]

The plain truth is that homosexuality is a disfunction that can be healed.

Amen Sister.

We need to stop fearing homosexuals and tell them the truth and do a whole lot more to help them heal.

Frankly, I think it's the loud mouthed minority and those behind them that hold the threat of legal action over our heads if we dare speak the truth that we need to stop fearing. If only the Christians in this country would be as driven in their agenda and rights as the homosexuals, maybe the country would stop being taken over by this garbage shoved in our faces daily. JMO.

[stevehut]

Just to clarify I think it's fine for women to preach... Not fine to hold leadership... there's a difference... to me anyway.

Huh?

In any Christian church that I have ever seen, the person who preaches from the pulpit is a leader in the church. Preaching (telling people what they should do or believe) is, in itself, a position of authority.

Otherwise the person in the pulpit is just a talking head.

[stevehut]

Is a Homosexual Pastor any different than any other pastor that is in sin? It seems to me that we are targeting a particular sin here, and I don't think that's right?

Yes, I agree that all sin is equal. None is better or worse than another. But I think you're mising someting:

A man may have a problem with shoplifting, for instance. It is a particular problem that he struggles with, and he may give in to it from time to time. But he knows it's wrong, and he continually tries to repent.

In the case of homosexuality, many people refuse to admit that it's wrong at all. They indulge in it time after time, and even boast about it.

That's the difference.

[Guest LadyC]

Just to clarify I think it's fine for women to preach... Not fine to hold leadership... there's a difference... to me anyway.

Huh?

In any Christian church that I have ever seen, the person who preaches from the pulpit is a leader in the church. Preaching (telling people what they should do or believe) is, in itself, a position of authority.

Otherwise the person in the pulpit is just a talking head.

i agree with mcm on this one point... (surprise!)

let me describe how a woman can preach but not be the authority in the church. many churches have a senior pastor, and one or more assistant pastors. often the assistant pastor is the wife of the senior pastor. in fact, in all instances that i've ever personally been aware of, if a woman held an assistant pastoral position, she was the wife of the senior pastor.

the assistant pastor does occasionally preach from the pulpit. generally this occurrs when the senior pastor is ill, or out of town. for the most part, the duties of an assistant pastor are more of a counseling role.

[stevehut]

I'm curious how the gay and lesbian ministers of some 'faiths' would explain and interpret sodom and gommorahs destruction?

The "modern" interpretation is that the men of Sodom were punished because of their rudeness in forcing their way into Job's house.

In the KJV (and in Hebrew) it says "Send those men out that we may know them". In both cases, the word "know" can have a double meaning; it can mean "get acquainted", or it can mean "have sex". Some people today embrace the first meaning, and reject the second.

But this is absurd, when you observe Lot's reaction - He made a counter offer to them, offering to instead give them his "virgin daughters". If there's any doubt as to the meaning of this passage, I think Lot clarifies it perfectly.

[Guest Sweetkitty99]

In Seattle this week a Fisrt Baptist minister and several members of his congregation was protesting in favor of homosexuals marrying and being allowed to preach.

[stevehut]

the assistant pastor does occasionally preach from the pulpit. generally this occurrs when the senior pastor is ill, or out of town. for the most part, the duties of an assistant pastor are more of a counseling role.

[stevehut]

In Seattle this week a Fisrt Baptist minister and several members of his congregation was protesting in favor of homosexuals marrying and being allowed to preach.